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Shy · Post by **Shy** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:01 am

Here's what happens when you make a funky jam with Venom and a Roland CR-8000 (Forgotten Keys sample library), a few effects and a tube preamp:
Real old school sound

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:04 am

I've done acid lines using midi play, and I'm sure so have many others.

You might think it's impossible to get the glide right. After all, a slide should begin before the note even happens, and we all know that it's IMPOSSIBLE in modern sequencers to slide a note upstream so it triggers before it's percieved time slot within the pattern. In fact you may have heard rumours of people moving portamento notes ahead of the beat just enough such that the pitch glide stops and hits the note EXACTLY on the beat. That would be foolhardy, for we all know that nature is quantized and time cannot be cheated!

So you could say those desiring to work with MIDI know nothing about acid. Or you could argue that those who can't fake the sound of the sequencer's gating and timing with MIDI don't know much about acid

Yeah, I get the interface factor thing. But sometimes you want a complex arrangement, a non-repeating or constantly mutating pattern, key changes, whatever. That's a lot easier to do within your DAW and while you run the risk of losing authenticity or character, it also gives you the freedom to add as much character of whatever type at whatever time as you like.

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:26 am

antto wrote:
..the accents build up a bit, i.e. the volume and cut-off frequency are slightly different..
no, the volume envelope doesn't "build-up"

I stand corrected.

recursive one wrote:[...]

>> DO NOT PRACTICE ACID PATTERNS WITH REAL CHICKENS OR OTHER ANIMALS.

Am I allowed to use cats, though? They make some cute noises when have their tails pulled (however, this may be more relevant to dubstep than to classic acid)

Cats (also used in early rave, cf. Prodigy's 'Charly') often have a better response time and sharper claws than chickens, which makes it much trickier to perform rapid successive stimuli. Many animals make great noises when 'played', but may get you into legal troubles with animal rights and all that. I actually prefer a more offensive strategy towards animal rights: having animals play music instead of being played, and then making legal troubles when registering the artists with the proper authorities in order to receive royalties.

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:41 am

Sendy wrote:You might think it's impossible to get the glide right. After all, a slide should begin before the note even happens, [...]

I used to think so, too, long ago - but the 303 slide actually doesn't begin before the note starts. It somehow still does seem to suggest that 'sliding towards the next note' effect that is typical of real bass playing, though.

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:59 pm

How to switch off the internal sequencer? I just wanna play my own notes from the piano roll.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:48 pm

Wildfunk wrote:How to switch off the internal sequencer? I just wanna play my own notes from the piano roll.

Read the posts at page 6 + 7 of this thread and/or have a look at the end of tbhis video from antto:

The unlock procedure for the "MIDI Play" has to be repeated anytime you reopen the project in your DAW.

Personally i was very much interested in that too and now that i know how to do it i am more interested in using the internal sequencer...

Just found how to program patterns just using a MIDI keyboard with help of the layout in the manual.

Ingo

Davias · Post by **Davias** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:07 pm

Personally in my DAW (Renoise), midi unlock has to be re-entered every time the audio engine (i push stop two times) closes or even when I start rendering

I even had to make a trick of render on another file to be able to enter the unlock mode one more time while the daw is asking me if I want to overwrite the previous file, if not it starts rendering while VB-303 ask me to enter the code, at then no 303 in the rendered file

A little bit boring, but what a gorgeous sound !

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:14 pm

Ingonator wrote:[...] Personally i was very much interested in that too and now that i know how to do it i am more interested in using the internal sequencer... [...]

Winnage!

Btw, Ingo, you may also like to check out the original TB-303 manual (can be found all over the interwebs). It all more or less applies to VB-303 as well. Learning how to program a bossa nova bass line is just about as inappropriate for this plug-in as for the real thing. Just for authenticity's sake and perhaps a bit of nostalgia. There aren't really any classic patterns in there, and the 303 is simple enough not to really need 'patches', but since you seem to have a thing for this sort of stuff, check out the preset and pattern notation sheets and so on. You can probably use them 1:1 for VB-303.

antto · Post by **antto** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:05 pm

yes, the interface is nearly identical (you have some LEDs and an LCD on top)
so you can program all the patterns/tracks from the original's manual.. they are very funny..
that manual btw is about 90 pages

i'm a dumb guy myself, so i tried to explain things simple and short in about 30 pages
you can watch those videos about "programming the TB-303" as they mostly apply 1:1, even the pattern copy trick

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:22 pm

Nice to know. Just found a link to the original manual. For anyone interested, here it is: http://media.rolandus.com/manuals/TB-303_OM.pdf Somehow couldn't find it on Roland Germany site, Roland International or Roland UK, only on Roland US.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:33 pm

chk071 wrote:Nice to know. Just found a link to the original manual. For anyone interested, here it is: http://media.rolandus.com/manuals/TB-303_OM.pdf Somehow couldn't find it on Roland Germany site, Roland International or Roland UK, only on Roland US.

Thanks, i'll have a look.

Ingo

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:39 pm

Now all you guys still need is a cut-out cardboard Chord Wheel.

Or would we also need a virtual silver or black gig bag?

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:57 pm

I still can't switch to midi notes (via the piano roll).

1. Set Mode to "Midiplay"
2. Enter the 4 digits via the buttons (do i need to enter or confirm?)
3. no "okay" appears
4. Set Midi Channel Trigger to "1"

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:06 pm

Wildfunk wrote:I still can't switch to midi notes (via the piano roll).

1. Set Mode to "Midiplay"
2. Enter the 4 digits via the buttons (do i need to enter or confirm?)
3. no "okay" appears
4. Set Midi Channel Trigger to "1"

1.) you don't have to enter the digits as shown, you have to enter the difference to 9 (e.g. 5 when 4 is shown or 9 when 0 is shown)

2.) sometimes you have enter the code more than one time until "okay" appears. For that you switch the mode selector to e.g. play pattern and then back to Midi play. Then you enter the code again.

Ingo

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:30 pm

Thanks Ingo!

Unfortunately i have to enter the digits everytime i stop the track and play it again.

Finally: Venom VB-303 v1.00