Finally: Venom VB-303 v1.00

[cytospur]

Maybe people would find the 303 pattern sheet useful. Here's a link to it in PDF format:

http://www.peff.com/synthesizers/roland ... 3chart.pdf

Edit: Other versions (including the link above) at the bottom of this page:

http://www.peff.com/synthesizers/

[Ch00rD]

The fact is that I have some memory problems too, so I need to see all the notes printed in the piano roll (or similar), I just can't remember what I've inputed in the internal seq, this is part also why I had so hard to unlock the midi mode first time

I see where you're coming from. Once upon a time I tried writing in 202 sequences on piano roll and it was just a pain in the arse to get anything similar to how it actually plays on those things (same sequencer as the 303). Same when I had a 303. Nowadays I simply use the really old fashioned method of writing down what note sequences I use on paper. Both the fun and the results themselves don't seem to happen with me when I try those type of sequencer riffs on piano roll. I even used to jot down the sequences and then just write in something close on the piano roll for a hard copy, but again, it actually made too much work. And really, mostly when you're doing 303 riffs, you're not using that many notes - few enough that you can simply write in a comment on the project somewhere which notes you use (Cubase has this facility - I'm sure most other DAWs will). Doesn't matter if you know exactly where each note is in the sequence - as long as you know the key, anything you play with it is going to fit. I do this now if I use my 202 - I add a comment on the audio channel after I recorded it, just with the sequence of notes I used. You could even name the audio channel with the notes, or name the parts on the channel. There's loads of ways to write that sort of stuff down. You can record it to audio, or simply have blank parts (if you're keeping it as midi) 8 bars long or whatever, and name each part CGAB etc. Really it's easier than trying to do it all on piano roll. That's one sure way of giving yourself a headache.

Ask anyone who uses 303s or 202s how they get the best results from them - and generally they'll tell you it's accidental. You kind of start with an idea, but once you've finished sequencing the bloody stupid things, it ends up nothing like what you imagined you were going to input. You fiddle with it - you change a couple of notes, you go back and change a few slides, you change a few accents, put some spaces in. Basically you're fiddling blind until it just sounds good. And to me that's the best way to work the s/w emulation too.
It's one of the irritating things and also the good things about 303s is that you can sequence the notes, the timing, the note lengths and slides etc all independently. But you have no idea what's going to come out until you hit play.

I've never had anything remotely as good by trying to sequence it in via piano roll or playing in over midi etc.

+1. Well put, Kritikon.

Also compare the 'Land Of Confusion' example above. This may be one of the examples where having memory problems could actually be somewhat of a benefit. The TB itself has some memory issues, too.

[DuX]

You should really give it some time. It's really fun. I love that I can program it mostly from the keyboard. In that aspect it is easier than the real one, but I did have to read the manual because it is not the same as the real one. I thought I would start programming it instantly due to my previous experience with TB-303 - wrong. Or maybe I've just forgotten how to program the real one... yeah that must be it.

and yes: Well put, Kritikon. Spot on. ) I think that 303/202 sequencer is more than half the fun of it all. I'd even go as far to say about 3/4 of the fun. And 1/2 of that 3/4 of the fun is not knowing what you're going to come up with.

[musicus]

Download don't work

the regest from box:

The user who hosts this content, is located outside the range.

[rv0]

Download don't work

the regest from box:

The user who hosts this content, is located outside the range.

here:

Another mirror that does not require signing in first:


http://users.telenet.be/darffader/antto/
or right click save as

This one wont go offline that easily

[musicus]

thx

[antto]

first post updated with the alternative hosts, thanks

[VSTJuNkiE]

Glad to see this finally released antto! Still trying to get used to the internal seq, but it's all good.

I'd like to add a +1 to removing the unlock code though. Just because I guess....

Also, will you be adding the second OSC and pwm function back? That would put this 303 emu outta this world IMO...

Thanks for all the hard work Sir!

[Wildfunk]

I'd like to add a +1 to removing the unlock code though.

Or just another mode selection which switches off the internal seq and set the trigger to "1".

Also, will you be adding the second OSC and pwm function back? That would put this 303 emu outta this world IMO.

Those features are just on the old version.

It's a little bit confusing because both releases share the same title but are completely different.

Old:



New:

[VSTJuNkiE]

After skimming the manual about the sequencer I can see why you would like ppl to use it. Very nice Antto!! Only thing the seq part is missing is randomization..hehe

Thanks again...

[VSTJuNkiE]

Hey those pics remind me that we are also missing the x/y pad...

[VSTJuNkiE]

As far as the GUI goes.Yeah, it's a little bit small (especially on my 24" 1080p monitor).

Can just anybody make a new GUI for it? Or no? Never worked with synth edit before so 'scuse my igno'rance (this time anyway).....

Would be stellar as a resizable GUI a la U-he's plugs...

[Davias]

Is it possible to use midi play with beta 1 and beta 2 ?

[antto]

i don't think i'll be putting another osc, the square wave is very expensive
PW - nope

the old version (the beta) is.. old. it died back then

the GUI is not gonna be any bigger

[DuX]

Well, I've been comparing the old version to this new one today, and the new one sounds quite a bit better to me. It might be the "psychoacoustics", but I don't think so. You reworked the sound engine a lot, I think.

The old version is very usable on its own, though. I used it in a few projects, and PW is really nice to have. I'm all for expanding the features just a little bit of the old gear like TeeBee. It makes things even more interesting since you can expand a bit on the very well known sound. *Very well known sound*. Adding a 2nd oscillator to TB is like making it a normal synth, finally.

Now this expanding on the features doesn't mean adding chorus/delay/reverb effects like some companies do it... [Arturia, have a banana]. It means expanding on the synthesis, oscillators, adding PW/PD/FM/wavetable features and stuff like that. Anyone can add a chorus/delay/reverb plugin after the plugin in a chain, damnit. At least that's what I think most of the people should be able to do.

Speaking of which, VB-303 sounds perfectly fine without any of those. I can almost imagine it to be a real TB. Raw, pulsing, nicely shitty sound. I never thought of TB as a bassline synth [probably because I'm into Industrial, not House]. It's always been so tiny sounding for me. My SH-101 sounded so much better as a proper bassline synth should sound. However, TB has its charm. Undeniably.

I've been playing with it for hours now, and I've learned the commands. Great work! Thank you, again, Antto! It also proves that SynthEdit can be a great tool if you know how to program DSP properly. It is all about knowing and properly coding DSP, folks. That's why Korg makes great plugins, due to their coders having decades of experience. You can take away whatever you want from me, but don't take away my Korg legacy collection!!

p.s. if only Roland thought as Korg... Just imagine "Roland Legacy Collection": JV-1080 or 2080, and Jupiter-8 or MKS-80, System-100M, or especially SVC-350 vocoder??? :drooool: They have great DSP programmers, too. Unfortunately, Roland's policy is not as open as Korg's.