Windows 8 sales figures

[robogone]

Tablets are coming in the workplace

true, have been for years, but you cant do 100 wpm on those

Dave, see above.

[rifftrax]

This is my office at work:



If you think tablets are going to replicate or replace any of that... think again my friend.

[EvilDragon]

Photoshop on a lame-ass 9" tablet? Fuggedaboutit!


Wherever utmost precision is needed, touchscreens are not for it. It will always be keyboard+mouse+big displays+a lot of processing power. Tablets are NOT it.

[rifftrax]

Business communication is much more about charts and graphics now than it is about long tracts of text.

90% of what I do impossible to throw into a graph or chart (i.e writing complex technical procedures, producing copy or putting legal documentation together). Also, creating a complex infographic on a tablet = no way in hell.

"Here's let's take this law book and we'll just... turn it into a chart! Absolutely brilliant idea James".

Except 90% of business does not work that way. Maybe shareholder presentations. Typical day-to-day stuff? Skype screens, instant messages, emails, phone calls, typing and lots of internet browser tabs.

[robogone]

This is my office at work:



If you think tablets are going to replicate or replace any of that... think again my friend.

Why do you think your office is representative of industries broadly? I haven't anywhere said that the desktop PC will disappear completely, only that it is dying in terms of sales and that there is greater uptake of tablets (and certainly a trend over the past few years to replace desktops with laptops).

Take a walk around the downtown of any major city as people are arriving or leaving for work and see how many carry a laptop bag now compared to a few years ago.

[robogone]

Photoshop on a lame-ass 9" tablet? Fuggedaboutit!

Absolutely not and I didn't suggest that it was going to happen.

[maxxxter]

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[t3toooo]

look at the energy options on modern motherboards.

my dx70si easily throttle down from 4ghz to 1.5ghz, depending on the performance.

when i constructed this comp. i was worried about overclocking until i found a single-click overclocking menu in the bios that is working perfectly.

that's a clear indication that company's generally have seriously interest in (working) energy saving.


most of the peoples are using computers for reading/writing and watching videos.

then there are those who play games or do photoshop but a good video card is much more important in this regard than any strong cpu.

at the end there are these types of people that need a strong cpu and/or video card,they are much less.

conclusion.

the pc market is not dying,the market is shifting to adjust the needs for the majority of people.


still i'm perfectly happy with the value of my cheap asus 1005pe netbook from 2010.
long battery live,i have windows 7 installed and i can connect my much better usb audio interface to it.

windows 8 pro tablets with usb connections are just too expensive,i'll wait two more years if i consider getting one but that's just my demand.

[rifftrax]

Why do you think your office is representative of industries broadly? I haven't anywhere said that the desktop PC will disappear completely, only that it is dying in terms of sales and that there is greater uptake of tablets (and certainly a trend over the past few years to replace desktops with laptops).

Take a walk around the downtown of any major city as people are arriving or leaving for work and see how many carry a laptop bag now compared to a few years ago.

People take laptops with them to augment their existing flow. Often this is because (for one) their business limits the amount of screens they can use and the amount of desktop space they can have and further because they often have proprietary software that can only be accessed remotely though a company laptop with a VPN setup (i.e. any branch of the military using contractors like SAIC). And laptops are friggin dirt-cheap. That's why you see laptops everywhere. Not because laptops/tablets have radically altered anything but meeting and board room and on-the-go communication.

Plus, my arrangement represents a sampling of any industry worker that needs multiple monitors to manage a large amount of data all at the same time. That's actually a pretty huge segment of industry, especially now that "global industries" are moving towards hiring people that can manage jobs that would have normally (previously) been segmented and spread out among multiple workers.

I.E. markets are moving away from specialization and towards broader capability. The industrial age of the paradigm of production line workers is pretty much over and kaput.

[robogone]

Robojam, your only argument are the latest sales statistics; we all know that the market is in the continual state of flux, nothing is fixed there.

Do you seriously think that the sales trends will reverse?

A lot of it is also dictated by the current state of economy and also our collective purchase cycles; if people are currently happy with their desktop setups, they're obviously not going to buy new ones for a while and that's going to affect sales numbers, obviously.

You think the current state of the economy only affects desktop sales and laptop and tablet sales are immune? If the economy reduces sales as you imply then it stands to reason that laptop sales are understated and that tablet sales would be much higher than those that we are currently seeing. You can't apply a limiting factor to only one item of a collection as a reason that numbers might be skewed.

Trends can occasional shift in favor of certain things, sure, but let's not rush with the conclusions.

You think that 5 years of continuous decline to half the sales of 5 years ago can drive conclusions?

[robogone]

the pc market is not dying,the market is shifting to adjust the needs for the majority of people.

Well replace the word 'dying' with 'declining' then. They will be around for a while, but sales have been hit hard in recent years and look like they're going to decline.

[rifftrax]

You have to consider another thing:

As computers become more powerful, people replace them less often. Of course initial sales figures per month and year are going to seem to favor laptops and tablets. Everyone who has never owned or bought one is now purchasing this stuff. And they break more often meaning they will be replaced/upgraded and change hands more frequently.

People also purchase more individual parts to build computers and then simply re-purpose old shells and cases that worked fine before. We've been at the ATX standard for the past like 15 years and it doesn't look like it will change. Looking purely at sales figures is going to seriously skew your ability to see what the reality is.

Desktops are still king and always will be. Tablets/phones/laptops are a novelty.

[robogone]

Why do you think your office is representative of industries broadly? I haven't anywhere said that the desktop PC will disappear completely, only that it is dying in terms of sales and that there is greater uptake of tablets (and certainly a trend over the past few years to replace desktops with laptops).

Take a walk around the downtown of any major city as people are arriving or leaving for work and see how many carry a laptop bag now compared to a few years ago.

People take laptops with them to augment their existing flow. Often this is because (for one) their business limits the amount of screens they can use and the amount of desktop space they can have and further because they often have proprietary software that can only be accessed remotely though a company laptop with a VPN setup (i.e. any branch of the military using contractors like SAIC). And laptops are friggin dirt-cheap. That's why you see laptops everywhere. Not because laptops/tablets have radically altered anything but meeting and board room and on-the-go communication.

That's certainly not the case for the 1/4 million employees in my company. We have $2,500 laptops and no desktops. We come into the office and put them in docking stations and take them home with us.

They do not augment anything. They are our 'desktops' now, and my company is certainly not the only one to do that. The other top 10 Fortune 500 company in the downtown of the city that I work in also does the same thing, and there are plenty of smaller companies that also do this.

[robogone]

As computers become more powerful, people replace them less often.

People also purchase more individual parts to build computers and then simply re-purpose old shells and cases that worked fine before.

Do you have any statistics from market research to back up those statements? The sales figures are available but I can't find anything online to back up those two statements.

It may well be that people are keeping them longer, but if that's true and there is no decline in underlying sales numbers then we're pretty soon going to see a huge spike in PC sales to get them back up to 2008 % of sales.

My money is on that not happening.

[maxxxter]

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