Did KVR Scare the Reaper Peeps Away?

[liquidsound]

I'm telling you, if Reaper was priced at $399. 00 there would be half as much complains.

Don't ask me why. Maybe because it would be in the hands of a more selected user base which would invest that amount after a more honest test drive and take responsibility for the investment.

At the current price tag + forever free demo, everyone is in. Good and Bad. Wishful and evangelistic.

[Hink]

The Reaper docking, besides the things you mention, isn't horrible. But there are issues with wasted/poor use of space, sizing issues when using multiple docks, inconsistent behaviors with the actual docking actions, etc. To me, the problem with a lot of docking systems is that you're docking windows that weren't really designed to go together in the interface.


Brent

Samp has adopted a docking system as well and tbh this is my experience with samp's docking....I could take it or leave it

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[koolkeys]

The Reaper docking, besides the things you mention, isn't horrible. But there are issues with wasted/poor use of space, sizing issues when using multiple docks, inconsistent behaviors with the actual docking actions, etc. To me, the problem with a lot of docking systems is that you're docking windows that weren't really designed to go together in the interface.


Brent

Samp has adopted a docking system as well and tbh this is my experience with samp's docking....I could take it or leave it

Yeah, the Samplitude docking, while nice in theory, suffers the same fate as Reaper's, unfortunately.

Of course, people used Samplitude for years and years without docking without problem. So I can see that some people may just choose to ignore it.

(sorry, assuming you're agreeing with me)

Brent

[Hink]

The Reaper docking, besides the things you mention, isn't horrible. But there are issues with wasted/poor use of space, sizing issues when using multiple docks, inconsistent behaviors with the actual docking actions, etc. To me, the problem with a lot of docking systems is that you're docking windows that weren't really designed to go together in the interface.


Brent

Samp has adopted a docking system as well and tbh this is my experience with samp's docking....I could take it or leave it

Yeah, the Samplitude docking, while nice in theory, suffers the same fate as Reaper's, unfortunately.

Of course, people used Samplitude for years and years without docking without problem. So I can see that some people may just choose to ignore it.

(sorry, assuming you're agreeing with me)

Brent

I am agreeing with you

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[koolkeys]

The Reaper docking, besides the things you mention, isn't horrible. But there are issues with wasted/poor use of space, sizing issues when using multiple docks, inconsistent behaviors with the actual docking actions, etc. To me, the problem with a lot of docking systems is that you're docking windows that weren't really designed to go together in the interface.


Brent

Samp has adopted a docking system as well and tbh this is my experience with samp's docking....I could take it or leave it

Yeah, the Samplitude docking, while nice in theory, suffers the same fate as Reaper's, unfortunately.

Of course, people used Samplitude for years and years without docking without problem. So I can see that some people may just choose to ignore it.

(sorry, assuming you're agreeing with me)

Brent

I am agreeing with you

[Tricky-Loops]

(sorry, assuming you're agreeing with me)

I am agreeing with you

This is something that usually doesn't happen in REAPER threads...

[hibidy]

all i know is i knew i had been extra happy at KVR for some reason lately but couldn't put my finger on it.. thanks Lawrence for reminding me why!

I think it's healthy to have one of these every so often

[hibidy]

I'm telling you, if Reaper was priced at $399. 00 there would be half as much complains.

Don't ask me why. Maybe because it would be in the hands of a more selected user base which would invest that amount after a more honest test drive and take responsibility for the investment.

At the current price tag + forever free demo, everyone is in. Good and Bad. Wishful and evangelistic.

What chu talkin' bout willis?

I don't think that a higher price for reaper would cut the complaints in half though. People would still bitch about the midi

[chk071]

I'm telling you, if Reaper was priced at $399. 00 there would be half as much complains.

Did you ever take a look at the Cubase forums?? I would say the opposite is the case. The more a software costs, the more people expect from it, and the more annoyed they will get if something doesn't work as it should do. Btw, i don't think Reaper should be treated any different, just because it costs only 60 $ (for people not making a lot of money with their music, for those who do, or for people who use Reaper to run a business which does, it costs 225 $, maybe worth mentioning... ).

[glokraw]

If Reaper team doesn't label their current version as broken, they could just
create a new product in paralell, optimized for core functions,
and streamline the old waddling giant 6 megabyte version, at leisure.
The new one could even include, or just be, a vst version,
like the energyXT system, so any problematic new/old projects could
be loaded into the version they were created in, and hosted in the
main the DAW, with a choice of which one is main.

You might have noticed that I do it that way

Hopefully as the new PY-Daw tools are released,
users will maximize their music creation sessions,
without always being lured into interminable debates.
Sometimes, they are both fun and informative.
With the coder also being the CEO, CTO, QAO, Marketing Department,
and also a user and fan, PY-Daw may have several advantages
over the competition,

[Hink]

and logic's way of having "set" focking in an all in one consolidated interface is perfect IMO.. studio one's is too (studio one gui makes me dizzy cause of the colours.. er.. there's a million things going on screen with all windows open in the same colour.. very hard to read)

I still say logic has the world's best and most usable gui. garageband not far behind.

Gui is a big deal to me.. not for looks, obviously.. i mean logic's not exactly pretty.. but for ergonomics and functionality and just "feeling" quick to work with.

This is the main reason, even after trying every highly rated skin known to man, that as of version 4.3 which was the last i tested, i still can't feel comfortable with reaper.

I am sure it's a very powerful program, with 9,000,000 options.

Theo, just to be clear...I'm not complaining about Samp's interface at all...in fact I love it, I just really dont care one way or tother about docking (AA's didn't excite me either)

[Arglebargle]

Reaper users started using real daws instead, that's why you don't see em anymore.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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