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ebfunk · Post by **ebfunk** » Sun May 05, 2013 9:56 am

Recently been exploring 432hz tuning and absolutely love the results! Problem is neither the Gsi VB3 or NI B4II running in my Receptor 2 are tunable to 432hz. Hoping someone can point me to a decent B3 emulation capable of such. Thanks!

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Sun May 05, 2013 11:21 am

also try dropping the oscillator tuning by 32 cents if there is no master tune function. The martinic organs can be tuned on the tuning page, not sure if the values are in cents or what sorry...
http://www.martinic.com/combov/

or try the LinPlug organ? it might have a master tune?

I know a few psy and ambient guys who work in 432 and swear by it.
I'd like to be experimenting with it, and 528 etc

Thinking outside the box, I like it

Good luck!

farlukar · Post by **farlukar** » Sun May 05, 2013 3:05 pm

You could just slap a pitch shifter on your master out.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sun May 05, 2013 3:33 pm

Please discuss only instruments in this thread.

Anyone who wants to discuss the supposed "paranormal," "supernatural," or "healing" effects of tuning to A=432 Hz may do so in this Hyde Park Corner thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5346300

Posts made here that belong in the HPC thread will be deleted.

ebfunk · Post by **ebfunk** » Sun May 05, 2013 5:20 pm

LinPlug Organ3 Master Tuning can be set from 415.3 Hz to 466.2 Hz.
Sent a note off to Gsi hoping Guido could do an update to include 432hz & 444hz.
Will give the oscillator and pitchshift a try.
Thanks for the replies and good ideas!

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Mon May 06, 2013 2:08 am

Also, don't forget Lounge Lizard EP4 (LOVE this synth), not really an organ, but has some good organ patches and has a master tune (again i'm not sure if it is in cents, will check the manual when I get a chance).

EDIT: I can't find in the manual, but the master tune is quite broad, a little over 1 octave each way. Pretty sure it's in cents (I'm away from the studio for a while so can't verify with my ears sorry).

tanabarbier · Post by **tanabarbier** » Mon May 06, 2013 5:59 pm

farlukar wrote:You could just slap a pitch shifter on your master out.

The only answers someone gave about this post are in the other thread (the HPC one), so I put something here, for public safety.

This is total nonsense, a pitch shifter will shift all components of the sound of the same amount, so this will make everything inharmonic, and I really doubts that the 432 crowd is looking for inharmonicity.

farlukar · Post by **farlukar** » Mon May 06, 2013 6:29 pm

tanabarbier wrote:a pitch shifter will shift all components of the sound of the same amount, so this will make everything inharmonic

Eh? Shifting all harmonics the same amount makes everything inharmonic?

tanabarbier · Post by **tanabarbier** » Mon May 06, 2013 6:38 pm

Yes it does, the thing is that the way we percieve harmonicity is due to proportions of frequencies being rationals. An octave is what you hear when hearing f and 2f or (1/2)f. So with an example:
I have a sawtooth with 440 Hz fundamental, the second harmonic has a frecuency of 880, the third 1320, etc. If I shift everything by 8 Hz I will have 432, 872, 1312. And the ratio isn't the same:
440/880=0.5
440/1320=0.333333333

432/872=0.4954......
432/1312=0.3292......

Because what we call harmonicity is the rational nature of the ratios we can't use a pitch shifter as a detuner.

I hope it is more clear, and I hope I haven't said a lot of things that will trigg a technical theory war.

farlukar · Post by **farlukar** » Mon May 06, 2013 6:43 pm

tanabarbier wrote:So with an example:
I have a sawtooth with 440 Hz fundamental, the second harmonic has a frecuency of 880, the third 1320, etc. If I shift everything by 8 Hz I will have 432, 872, 1312.

You don't shift everything by 8Hz, you shift everything by 1.8%.

tanabarbier · Post by **tanabarbier** » Mon May 06, 2013 7:02 pm

Ah, I got it, ok, I think you're right, I thought freq shifter, not pitch shifter.
I'd like to know of a pitch shifter that works the way you say it does, though. Not saying that it does not exists, just doen't know any myself.

ebfunk · Post by **ebfunk** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:20 am

Meffy wrote:Please discuss only instruments in this thread.

Anyone who wants to discuss the supposed "paranormal," "supernatural," or "healing" effects of tuning to A=432 Hz may do so in this Hyde Park Corner thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5346300

Posts made here that belong in the HPC thread will be deleted.

Unfortunately, I am not allowed in the HPC thread because I don't have enough posts. Must one hurriedly make 50 superfluous posts just to gain access?

Still looking for a means to make the software I purchased usable in 432 hz tuning without buying more hardware or software if possible. Thanks!

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:45 am

Pitch shifting is the only way to do it. If you want to play it live, use an H3000 type shifter.

432Hz is an exotic concept. Would be more interested in a stretch tuning organ.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:26 am

ebfunk wrote:Must one hurriedly make 50 superfluous posts just to gain access?

That will probably just get you banned

But you're not missing much anyway. HPC threads get "archived" automatically after 7 days of inactivity, and this particular one has had that privilege.

ebfunk wrote:Still looking for a means to make the software I purchased usable in 432 hz tuning without buying more hardware or software if possible. Thanks!

Adobe Audition is available for free (or at least used to be) and it includes superb repitching.

What you could do is record your tracks tuned in 440Hz but played 1.85% too fast as well. Eg 120 BPM becomes 122.22 BPM. If you then slow it down to 98.182% then it's back to 120 BPM and tuned to 432 Hz.

farlukar · Post by **farlukar** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:35 pm

BertKoor wrote:Adobe Audition

That's not of much use on a receptor.

Vst Organ software tunable to A=432hz