KVR Audio

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Tue May 07, 2013 6:32 am

LawrenceF wrote:I kinda like DP tbh.. If it would run without issue I'd spend more time digging in and I'll probably give it another go or 3 before the demo expires.

I can't be sure, but IMO it sounds like your issue, and a lot of peoples issues, are/is going to be third party VSTs. I know that when I mess with a new DAW on OSX, and have the same sort of weird issues you talk about it's usually an AU or VST that's messing with the DAW.
For instance today I got the demo for DMG audios Equilibrium and tried starting it before authorizing it and DP didn't like that much, probably partially that Equilibrium is a brand new plug in and DP is still on early updates. (8.02) It acted weird for a minute or two after running the demo authorization, then "settled", and runs perfect now. Try removing all your VSTs to another folder that Windows won't read them in and seeing if that fixes your issues, if it does then you know it's an errant VST, or DP's issue with a particular VST.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Tue May 07, 2013 12:03 pm

machinesworking wrote:I can't be sure, but IMO it sounds like your issue, and a lot of peoples issues, are/is going to be third party VSTs.

I wasn't using any third party plugs...

LawrenceF wrote:To be clear, using MOTU PCI-424 hardware with the latest drivers, and using absolutely no 3rd party plugs, wanting to get a feel for it's own audio plugs. In fact, I'm not even sure if it loads VST [audio] plugs since I never see any of my plugs listed to use anyway.

Actually, now that I think about it I may have been running x64 so my third party audio plugs wouldn't show up anyway unless DP has a bridge, none of them are 64-bit.

At any rate, it's the very first Windows version of the product and it woudn't be unusual for it to be a little bit buggy when it first hits a new OS platform. No big deal. I'm sure they'll sort it out.

I'm sure that the Mac version doesn't do that or people wouldn't be using it for their critical projects ... so I'm not inclined to superimpose that experience as a reality and go around suggesting that DP is a crash fest in general.

I'm keeping it all in proper context.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Tue May 07, 2013 12:18 pm

Question: How many licenses do you get with DP?

I mean, if you buy it, how many times (or on how many systems) can you install it?

Thanks.

Jim Roseberry · Post by **Jim Roseberry** » Tue May 07, 2013 2:11 pm

LawrenceF wrote:I kinda like DP tbh.. If it would run without issue I'd spend more time digging in and I'll probably give it another go or 3 before the demo expires.

I had a nice mix going and had the PDF help open on monitor two and was finding my way around pretty easily. I like the contextual help, where you can jump to help for whatever tab you happen to be on, that's nice, with aome nice graphics pointing to stuff that you mightt not even really see. I figured I'd just drop in some stems and mix something and it was all going well until it started hanging and crashing. That can be frustrating when you're making progress learning it.

Hi Lawrence,

This is exactly my experience with DP8 on Windows.

Wanted to add DP8 to my toolbox... as it has many features that compliment my other DAW apps (especially those features geared toward working with video).
But DP8 (Windows) is currently a bit of a hot-mess.
Crashes often, the meters stop working, the audio stops playing, the time-display stops working, etc.

I'll add DP8 at some point...
I'm sure MOTU will get things ironed out.
It's great to see DP on the Windows platform.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue May 07, 2013 2:55 pm

LawrenceF wrote:Question: How many licenses do you get with DP?

I mean, if you buy it, how many times (or on how many systems) can you install it?

Thanks.

I believe you get two simultaneous installs, and if I understand correctly, it's "automatic". So if you install to a third machine, it doesn't lock you out, but just deauthorizes the first machine, or something like that.

Brent

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue May 07, 2013 2:58 pm

LawrenceF wrote:
At any rate, it's the very first Windows version of the product and it woudn't be unusual for it to be a little bit buggy when it first hits a new OS platform. No big deal. I'm sure they'll sort it out.

I'm sure that the Mac version doesn't do that or people wouldn't be using it for their critical projects ... so I'm not inclined to superimpose that experience as a reality and go around suggesting that DP is a crash fest in general.

I'm keeping it all in proper context.

I think that is probably accurate. As DP is used HEAVILY in live productions(Motley Crue, Madonna, U2, etc.) and on major films(Lord of The Rings Trilogy, the Hobbit, many many others), I'm guessing that the Mac version is pretty solid. So while I haven't yet experienced huge stability issues myself with the DP8 demo(I haven't really pushed it yet or used many third party plugs yet), I do know that a lot of people are having issues. So I'm sure they will get it all sorted. I sure hope so!

Brent

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Tue May 07, 2013 5:03 pm

koolkeys wrote:I believe you get two simultaneous installs, and if I understand correctly, it's "automatic". So if you install to a third machine, it doesn't lock you out, but just deauthorizes the first machine, or something like that.

Brent

Ah... yeah. I do recall hearing that back when they first announced DP8, a new licensing scheme, and not quite understanding it.

It seems to imply that you need to be connected to the net (how else would the deauthorized system know that it's been deauthorized?), so I never fully grasped the auto-deauthorizing concept because nobody ever really spoke directly to it or explained it.

Thanks Brent.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue May 07, 2013 5:10 pm

No problem. But don't quote me on the automatic "smart" authorizations. I only believe that I heard it somewhere a few days ago.

Brent

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Tue May 07, 2013 8:36 pm

LawrenceF wrote: I wasn't using any third party plugs...

There have been reports in the past of errant plug ins that are simply in your VST folder that cause issues with a DAW.

You mentioned that DP isn't showing any VSTs, just it's own embedded plug ins, and that all your VSTs are not 64 bit? How is every plug in you have in your folder not 64 bit?? of a couple dozen companies in my VST/AU folder only about four are not 64 bit yet, Speakerphone, AAS, and the Sound guy are if or me. Well plus a lot of free plug ins.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue May 07, 2013 8:40 pm

machinesworking wrote:
LawrenceF wrote: I wasn't using any third party plugs...
There have been reports in the past of errant plug ins that are simply in your VST folder that cause issues with a DAW.

You mentioned that DP isn't showing any VSTs, just it's own embedded plug ins, and that all your VSTs are not 64 bit? How is every plug in you have in your folder not 64 bit?? of a couple dozen companies in my VST/AU folder only about four are not 64 bit yet, Speakerphone, AAS, and the Sound guy are if or me. Well plus a lot of free plug ins.

A lot of people don't have a need for 64-bit, or they have some key important plugs to them that are not 64-bit, so they just choose to use 32-bit versions of everything, including the host. So it's possible that he hasn't installed anything 64-bit because of these or other reasons?

Brent

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Tue May 07, 2013 8:50 pm

Dur! Forgot Windows has separate 32 and 64 bit plug ins.

Still think it's worth it if you're having problems with the demo to eliminate possibilities, like DP doing something stupid with a folder full of 32 bit plug ins but I fully understand why someone wouldn't bother.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Tue May 07, 2013 8:54 pm

machinesworking wrote:How is every plug in you have in your folder not 64 bit??

That's very easy to answer.

Becasue I don't really buy third party audio plugs anymore.

I have a few very old plugs i bought some time ago and I mostly use stock audio plugs in the DAW. The biggest third party audio plug I have is Altiverb, and not the latest version. I do buy third party instruments. Audio plugs? Hardly ever. As long as I have good reverb and EQ and compressors I'm all set. I supplement with good free stuff like Thrillseeker... all of which is not 64-bit?

I do have an old version of Waves that I bought at a local studio going out of business sale many years ago, never even updated those, no need to. They're all 32-bit.

I'm in the camp that doesn't believe you can buy your way into good sound with third party EQ's and comps and all that ... so I typically don't bother, and try to focus more on the source, and good mics and preamps.

Instruments are however quite a different story.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue May 07, 2013 9:00 pm

Well I appreciate all the comments. It's clear to me that DP is not for me.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Tue May 07, 2013 9:03 pm

P.S. I must admit to being highly tempted by the FabFilter EQ though.

If it was a little cheaper I probably would have pulled the trigger.

It has some really nice - practical - functionality.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue May 07, 2013 9:05 pm

LawrenceF wrote:I must admit to behing highly tempted by FabFilter EQ though. If it was a little cheaper I probably would have pulled the trigger.

It has some really nice - practical - functionality.

Pick it up in the marketplace. I don't believe it becomes NFR and the transfer is painless.

Digital Performer for Windows finally released! with demo!