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Fckthwrld91 · Post by **Fckthwrld91** » Sun May 05, 2013 10:04 am

Hello everybody,

this must seem very strange, but i want to start producing music for such a long time. I think i want it for so long that i have too much respect for this issue.

My Problem is: I cant get my foot in the door. Everybody on the internet says "just trail and error" - i think this is of course a big part of the learning process, but you dont learn to play guitar by just take the guitar and "try a little bit around" - right? i dont know how to start, or where. should i buy videos on sonicacademy, groove3 or macprovideos? or is there a better way? as i start to become desperate i would appriciate every answer!

Greetings

Fckthwrld91

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:00 pm

i bought my first guitar in 1987?

in 2010 i watched a video on youtube and learned how to play scales without moving the neck position

didn't stop me from doing a few shows.

if you want to compose with vst, you need a host. the only one i use is eXT 2 and if i recommend it there will be a big fight with the people who don't want you to like it.

they'll be along now to tell you all sorts of problems.

so, find some host.

music conveys ideas to society. sure, some people will dissuade and mislead you, i guess they don't want people with more ideas.

vata44 · Post by **vata44** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:09 pm

I say start by trying out different Digital Audio Workstations..

Are you more of a tracker or a player?

More of a tweaker/sound designer or instrumentalist?

Acoustic or Synthetic? Both?

What do you have equipment wise that you need/desire to integrate?

You should at least know where you stand in those areas... IMO

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:17 pm

just start. watch youtube etc. there are many sites on the internet you can visit. nowdays its much easier then 20 years before. if you think you will have
professional results after 2-3 years i must disappoint you. it's a long road but worth to go, but you must start now. it isn't important if it's sound like shit for a long time you cant be good at the beginning (technical skills). the best teacher is practice.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:31 pm

Respect and intellectualism are two massive barriers. Just make some freaking noise. If that voice in your head is distracting you, telling you you're not good enough... get used to (ignoring) it! Because by the time that voice is squelched out of your brain, you'll have critics telling you the same thing. But that's a surefire sign that you're onto something worthwhile and should keep going

Many people have gotten far with guitar just picking it up and experimenting on their own, some even played it "wrong" i.e. by sitting with it like a sitar.

Jumping straight into a fully fledged studio (virtual or otherwise) with countless modules and generators is probably not the way to go. Most of us until very recently started out with home keyboards, pianos, home computers with limited sound capacity, guitars, whatever was at hand, until we had the means to progress into anything that might be labelled a studio. I should imagine these days leaping right into a fully decked out DAW for Square One might be a very daunting prospect.

Try and focus in on what it is about music you like. What sounds from everyday life inspire you? What is your mission? From there you can start building up an idea of what you need to get going.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:35 pm

best way to learn is by making mistakes. and then fixing those mistakes. repeatedly.
then at least you can ask the right questions.

most of all, have some fun doing it!

:cat pic!:

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:46 pm

Before you get in, you have to open the doors! Then sit down and just make some music with whatever you get into your fingers...

If you need to know some basics, look at:

http://audio.tutsplus.com/tag/basix

Panphobia · Post by **Panphobia** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:57 pm

1. RTFM, and if you dont understand something ask
2. You need to see the forest AND the trees. Don't get discouraged, but it will take a long time to build skill
3.Just learn something new every day. Nothing huge, but increase your skills gradually.
4. Make some music, post it somewhere and have fun!
5. Thick skin required. No matter what you make, how good it is, always someone will not like it. Get used to it and keep making good music!

Spiritos · Post by **Spiritos** » Thu May 09, 2013 2:40 pm

As many already mentioned first you should have a conceptual idea of what you want to create. Do you play an intstrument? What kind of music would you like to make?

First you need a DAW. Reaper is the cheapest but not the easiest to start with.
If you want to make techno/trance then maybe you could opt for a 'tracker'. It's a particular workflow but most adequate for this kind of music and easy to learn plus there are several for free on the internet.

When you finally do decide on a DAW or tracker make sure there are enough free resources and tutorials available on the web so you can interact with a community to help you out.

Don't buy anything yet. From what I understand you really got to get yourself going. If you want you can make music with just your laptop but in time I'd suggest getting yourself a cheap MIDI-keyboard for more instant feedback and fun.

If you don't have fun in the beginning it's hard to stay motivated so prioritize on that first.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu May 09, 2013 3:20 pm

vurt wrote:best way to learn is by making mistakes. and then fixing those mistakes. repeatedly.
then at least you can ask the right questions.

most of all, have some fun doing it!

:cat pic!:

Yep, that's a good approach.

I think the mistake that many people make when coming here is to get hold of a host and a bunch of VSTs then say "I want to sound like...<insert artist name here>"

Just play something and don't worry about what it sounds like. You can fix that later.

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Fri May 10, 2013 12:58 pm

Get lessons if you want to learn guitar. Not necessary but you will advance a hell of a lot quicker.

Pick a DAW - that suits your needs (demo it obviously).
Logic, Presonus S1, Cubase, Ableton, - in no particular order all industry standard.

Buy a couple of intro groove3 vids - just to get you started in your DAW.

Watch a few guides on youtube on how to build the music you want. See what DAW they are using and if it's something that looks like you could use it too.

Read music production forums. But beware the info is vastly conflicting. So take most advice with a pinch of salt.

Maybe go on a short cheap intro course (don't worry about certs or qualifications just yet).

Try and meet up with a few producers who are better than you and get help. Online or in your area.

Don't be put off just keep making music even is it's not great to begin with.

Be very patient as it takes years to get good. It's all about practice...practice and more practice.

Just my 2 cents.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:27 pm

xoxos wrote:i bought my first guitar in 1987?

in 2010 i watched a video on youtube and learned how to play scales without moving the neck position didn't stop me from doing a few shows.

if you want to compose with vst, you need a host. the only one i use is eXT 2 and if i recommend it there will be a big fight with the people who don't want you to like it.

they'll be along now to tell you all sorts of problems.

so, find some host.

music conveys ideas to society. sure, some people will dissuade and mislead you, i guess they don't want people with more ideas.

This.

I started 'playing' way back in 1967 when I was 12 years old...by noodling around on a tuba of all things...but I really started when I turned 40...with a hissfest Tascom...portable recorder...

Go For It!!!

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:31 pm

one cannot learn to swim without getting wet.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:26 pm

vurt wrote:one cannot learn to swim without getting wet.

Not that advisable when you have your rig plugged in, but I'm sure it works well with acoustic instruments.

theodore_whitmore · Post by **theodore_whitmore** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:51 pm

Re the thread title:

Start with a finger and work up gently,

It will take a long time until you can get your foot in.

I just cant get my foot in...