XILS Roland Vocoder VP-330 Plus - NEW SYNTH

[murnau]

did you even know what a pre-order is?

good question. do you ?

hopefully, you start to see how artificially & arbitrarily x̶i̶l̶s̶-̶l̶a̶b̶ edit: Lotuzia is using this term. and while some other software {not audio, more like games} devs might do something similar {pre-order incentive schemes}, the savings are usually much more substantial than 10 euro out of 100 VS waiting to try it out first.

you're welcome

since you so good in c/p wiki i give it a try to:

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Pre-order incentive

Pre-order incentive, also known as pre-order bonus, is a marketing tactic whereby a retailer or manufacturer/publisher of a product (usually a book or video game) encourages buyers to reserve a copy of the product at the store prior to its release.

Reasons for this vary, typically publishers wish to ensure strong initial sales for a product, and the offered incentive is used to induce shoppers (who might otherwise wait for positive reviews or a specific shopping period like the holiday season) to commit to a purchase. Having paid for part or all of the purchase when placing the order, these consumers will usually complete the transaction shortly after the product's release, often on its first day in stores. Individual stores or retail chains may also offer bonuses for a popularly anticipated product, to ensure that the customer chooses to buy at that location, rather than from a competitor.

The pre-order bonus may be as simple as a discount on the item's purchase price or other related merchandise (another marketing strategy), or may consist of an actual item or set of items. These items may be related merchandise or exclusive items available only through the pre-order program.

so you slightly moving on from bitching about the pre-order in general about that the discount is to little to finally tell us all what pre-order is and what not???

i strongly advice xils to change the term "pre-order" into "my xils trusted bonus" or god knows what just to stop this madness.

[ChiTown24]

did you even know what a pre-order is?

good question. do you[/color] ?

hopefully, you start to see how artificially & arbitrarily x̶i̶l̶s̶-̶l̶a̶b̶ edit: Lotuzia is using this term. and while some other software {not audio, more like games} devs might do something similar {pre-order incentive schemes}, the savings are usually much more substantial than 10 euro out of 100 VS waiting to try it out first.

you're welcome

since you so good in c/p wiki i give it a try to:

that's why I provided the wikipedia link, after all, so you can do your own copy & pastes Though I'm not sure why you see fit to c/p something I've already addressed - as I've highlighted above in the quote you posted.

so you slightly moving on from bitching about the pre-order in general about that the discount is to little to finally tell us all what pre-order is and what not???

I'm not moving my POV anywhere. You wanted to make the funny funny about what a pre-order actually is. I know your question was rhetorical, but you also seemed totally oblivious to it's actual meaning - hence my "tell you all what pre-order is and what not???" response. It seemed necessary, for your benefit specifically - you both asked, mocked & displayed your lack of cognizance in one fell swoop. I don't think most people need to be told what it means. Maybe I should have PM'd you the definition ?
At any rate I just highlighted that, even stretched to the very limits of it's meaning - the pre-order incentive schemes more commonly offered in the entertainment industries of software - the discount is much more substantial. My POV is the same as the first message I posted on this topic, and every subsequent post since. The question of the savings-to-risk ratio was always alluded to if not referred to directly. I thought in plain english ? If you have trouble comprehending the full breadth of the english language, and to avoid confusion, I suggest you reel your neck in a bit before hitting the 'reply' button when debating in this language or making with the funny-funnys. You waste your own time as well as mine.


thanks!

[aMUSEd]

Oh nonsense we've had pre orders for plugins on KvR for ages; this is a comparatively short period (due to release being soon), but then I guess that's why it's also a comparatively small saving (bit still incentive for some). You're making a big argument out of nothing (maybe Mods will spilt this derail off).

[Ingonator]

I'm not moving my POV anywhere. You wanted to make the funny funny about what a pre-order actually is. I know your question was rhetorical, but you also seemed totally oblivious to it's actual meaning - hence my "tell you all what pre-order is and what not???" response. It seemed necessary, for your benefit specifically - you both asked, mocked & displayed your lack of cognizance in one fell swoop. I don't think most people need to be told what it means. Maybe I should have PM'd you the definition ?
At any rate I just highlighted that, even stretched to the very limits of it's meaning - the pre-order incentive schemes more commonly offered in the entertainment industries of software - the discount is much more substantial. My POV is the same as the first message I posted on this topic, and every subsequent post since. The question of the savings-to-risk ratio was always alluded to if not referred to directly. I thought in plain english ? If you have trouble comprehending the full breadth of the english language, and to avoid confusion, I suggest you reel your neck in a bit before hitting the 'reply' button when debating in this language or making with the funny-funnys. You waste your own time as well as mine.

Nobody ever denied there is a risk if you take the pre-order approach but first there will be enough loyal Xils customers (or those taht are convinced by the A/B comparison demos) to take the opportunity anyway and second nobody forces you or others to take part.

Last but not least you save 60 Euros of the final price with the pre-order and not just 10 Euros which is just the difference to the introduction offer (that will also include the demo version) that saves 50 Euros of the final price.

Could you please accept this so we could end that discussion now?


Ingo

[ChiTown24]

You're making a big argument out of nothing (hopefully Meffy will spilt this derail off).

that's rubbish. it takes two to tango, I offered my take on this awful gimmick. people scrutinized my opinion, as is normal & natural in a democratic society, and i offered my response. and so on.
that's how it's supposed to work, no ? or do the rules of polite society dictate that the person with the stronger argument is the one causing it ?



thanks for your contribution. edifying.

[vurt]

"my xils trusted bonus"

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[aMUSEd]

You're making a big argument out of nothing (hopefully Meffy will spilt this derail off).

that's rubbish. it takes two to tango, I offered my take on this awful gimmick. people scrutinized my opinion, as is normal & natural in a democratic society, and i offered my response. and so on.
that's how it's supposed to work, no ? or do the rules of polite society dictate that the person with the stronger argument is the one causing it ?

You don't have "the stronger argument" - you're just making a big fuss about nothing. Pre orders have been round for ages, including for audio software, including plugins, presets, sample libs etc.

[Lotuzia]

Thanks to all the people who have debated about the pre order, Murnau, Stephen, Ingo and ChiTown. I think that all have been said now, and people reading will have enough elements to make their own decision.

Now that this is done, let's get back to the V+, and especially the opportunity for everybody to win one of the two offered V+ licences by playing a simple game : Distinguish between the real thing, and the V+, while listening to 7 pairs of A/B clips.

You can go straight to this page, listen, then take your chance and send the results :

http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-VPLUS_Contest.html

I just relistened to them with good headphones and well, I must say its not that easy, even if I have both a VP and of course the V+

Good luck to all those who want to play with us

LtZ

[ChiTown24]

You're making a big argument out of nothing (hopefully Meffy will spilt this derail off).

that's rubbish. it takes two to tango, I offered my take on this awful gimmick. people scrutinized my opinion, as is normal & natural in a democratic society, and i offered my response. and so on.
that's how it's supposed to work, no ? or do the rules of polite society dictate that the person with the stronger argument is the one causing it ?

You don't have "the stronger argument" - you're just making a big fuss about nothing. Pre orders have been round for ages, including for audio software, including plugins, presets, sample libs etc.

who made you the arbiter of truth ? what a cushy job.
first i'm causing a big argument {on my own, somehow}, now I don't have the stronger argument either. well OK if you say so amused, arbiter of truth that you are you obviously don't need to substantiate anything you say. perks of being the arbiter. So, you've painted me into somewhat of a corner... on the one hand accusing me of being the source of an argument, on the other hand encouraging me to further take part in it. Not sure if this is hypocritical or gormless on your part. Both ? But there's so little substance to the bait that you're offering, and you seem pretty intellectually lazy at the moment, I think I'll decline from offering my opinion on the other pre-order schemes you mentioned. and probably take part in ? {and conduct too maybe? some might call that bias}. It surely wouldn't be appreciated, neither for it's meaning or the matter-of-fact way it would be delivered.

Thanks boss!

[aMUSEd]

Thanks to all the people who have debated about the pre order, Murnau, Stephen, Ingo and ChiTown. I think that all have been said now, and people reading will have enough elements to make their own decision.

Now that this is done, let's get back to the V+, and especially the opportunity for everybody to win one of the two offered V+ licences by playing a simple game : Distinguish between the real thing, and the V+, while listening to 7 pairs of A/B clips.

You can go straight to this page, listen, then take your chance and send the results :

http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-VPLUS_Contest.html

I just relistened to them with good headphones and well, I must say its not that easy, even if I have both a VP and of course the V+

Good luck to all those who want to play with us

LtZ

No more needs to be said

[electro]

Nobody ever denied there is a risk if you take the pre-order approach but first there will be enough loyal Xils customers (or those taht are convinced by the A/B comparison demos) to take the opportunity anyway and second nobody forces you or others to take part.

Last but not least you save 60 Euros of the final price with the pre-order and not just 10 Euros which is just the difference to the introduction offer (that will also include the demo version) that saves 50 Euros of the final price.

Could you please accept this so we could end that discussion now?

ChiTown24 has argued his point convincingly. Yes those A/B comparison demos are close enough to serve as the basis of a contest and were a great marketing idea IMO! I always take note when a developer has enough confidence in their work to promote something as potentially damaging to sales as a dry A/B.

Why allow yourself to sell something to people who haven't had a chance to try it, and only offer them 10 euros for the risk ? If you're trying to do your userbase a 'favour' just offer them the 89 euro price when the demo is available for 5 days, offer the 99 euro price the following week if you like. Or is there some genuine, logistic reason this gimmick is a reasonable thing to do ? You still have not come close to convincing me that this is an entirely necessary or altruistic gimmick
I'm going to say it once more, because I'm on commission: bad precedent. {for too little gain}

Seems like a reasonable and painless resolution to this "gimmick" controversy, no?

What you have done is create a completely artificial & arbitrary situation where you are trying to compel people to purchase without demoing - a demo being something you can easily supply, and will do so 8 days later. for this, you offer them a saving of 10 euro VS waiting. As far as comparisons go this isn't even the same sport, nevermind the same ball park.

who concocted this scheme, btw ?

ChiTown24's "artificial and arbitrary situation" argument is strong. Also, I would appreciate to know how Oxium's copy protection worked out for Xils compared to the previous offereings.

[contrary]

Also, I would appreciate to know how Oxium's copy protection worked out for Xils compared to the previous offereings.

Yes , and could you also include last quarters spreadsheets for overhead and profitability ( oh , and by all means payroll !!! ... Need to see how massivley underpaid the poor public relations , Marketing chap is ! )




The whole pre-order "controversy" centers upon one concept; and each individual can ponder this and make their own descision. Has XILS established a precedence of doing good , innovative product development including post release updates and bug squashings ??

Is there a track record that we can rely upon here ???


If so then the savings offer is logical and should be appreciated .


If you don't think these criteria are met to your satisfaction , then...


A) walk away , don't purchase , have a nice day!

B) Spend enormous amounts of effort and energy dissing the entire proposition and add pages of bitchy unrelated clutter to the dev's thread about ; er , what was it ?? some sort of voicey noise maker thingy or synth ??

C) Rinse and repeat step B , and add the usual default copy protection " Scheme" drivel about how Dongloids are the spawn of the devil and dev's do it cause they "hate us" and in reality , luv the pirates



KVR ! Gotta luv this place !!


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[ChiTown24]

cheers electro, glad someone is willing to state that they get what I'm saying

btw, lest anyone think amused had a good point about other pre-orders in the audio software realm;; unless i'm mistaken and going by vague memories of thread titles i've never clicked on, aren't most of these pre-order gimmicks for content vendors ? preset libraries & sample content or a hybrid of both ? these things are sold on faith & audio demos anyway, little wonder the whole pre-order routine is so frequently used for those products;; you're buying on faith anyway, might as well buy on faith for the cheapest price. I mean really, if it achieved the desired psychological and subsequently economical effect, who wouldn't engage in this make believe pre-order BS if you were selling content ?
You already know the synth or sampler works on your system, there's no real technical risk in buying content. just remorse if you don't like the palette provided - a situation you couldn't avoid if you bought it during the make believe pre-order phase or not. just less money to regret spending if you buy early.

for standards sake, hardly the model anyone should adopt {dev or end-user} when buying {licenses for} plugins etc.

surely pre-ordering {to save a pitaance} on plugins you can't demo first is much less common than amused is making out ?

at any rate, this is my reply to that point. I could have just emulated amused's approach, and simply stated "nah, you're wrong cuz i say so". But I've taken the time to explain my point. Condemn me for it!

[electro]

One Company with two different protection methods is a good testcase to study effects of each system.

I wasn't really asking for internal info, but was just curious to know if there was quantifiable piracy/sales difference. Wasn't complaining either.

[ChiTown24]

^^^ {regarding my previous post, above electro's}

And now the penny drops. Lotuzia concocted this scheme, and Lotuzia is a content vendor. The genesis of the gimmick now makes perfect, though regrettable, sense.

Xavier - please, for the sake of marketing your wonderful DSP in a manner worthy of it's quality, tell Lotuzia to keep his content peddling gimmicks to himself in the future. Thanks mon ami