Echoplex VST

[Tony Ostinato]

i miss out of tune.

now i want to listen to his track.

saw a buble video today, wtf he can sing why does he need to robot up every note??

sorry to digress.

[Plajia]

haha wassup guys what are you talking about

to k Slash.. its all good. I know what you mean. you gotta understand its melody and emotion first.. tuning is less of a concern dont look for perfection.. its good enough Im sure. thats what my mom said!!! lol kidding. its all good. song is done. cool like it is.

[annode]

I'm sorry, I have to bring this topic back to IK Multimedia and Echoplex thank you.
There's plenty of room to post your tune over at the KVR Cafe thank you.

Now. I am fully fed up with IK Multimedia's insane web site!
All I wanted to do is try their vintage tape echo box echoplex emu. I've been screwing around with them over at their site for 40 f__king mins now and all I have done is register to dload their f__king app. so I can open it to access what they call their "Custom Shop". I have the bloody thing open, I click on the Custom Shop button in the standalone app. and it just opens it's directory folder and that's it!!!

You ppl at IK are out of your f__king minds!

EDIT: It just came to me...I didn't want to install that apple player, forget it name at the moment, i'm upset...and i'll bet that's why it doesn't work. Flipping bite me!

[hibidy]

I feel your pain, but I had to lol!!!!!!

Here's what I did. I dl'ed and installed the custom shop instllaller (4.1) I launched the T racks cs and selected to demo "echoflex". Then, I launched host "a" (with CS launched, of course) and walla, there is echoflex when I launched a CS t racks instance.

Do I like it? not really (the system) but it's not horrid.

[annode]

I feel your pain, but I had to lol!!!!!!

Here's what I did. I dl'ed and installed the custom shop instllaller (4.1) I launched the T racks cs and selected to demo "echoflex". Then, I launched host "a" (with CS launched, of course) and walla, there is echoflex when I launched a CS t racks instance.

Do I like it? not really (the system) but it's not horrid.

Within my IK Multimedia horror there is still room for lol

I'm still missing something...literally. I have the CS standalone host installed, but that's all I saw for dload and thought that contained the means to open the 'Custom Shop'.
I hit the plugin's slot drop-down and select 'tape echo'. A pop-up then asks me if I want to buy or try it from the 'Custom (f__king) Shop' and I click yes. The the IK directory folder opens and i'm f__ked again !

Their web site was designed by the 'Three Stooges' apparently. They have you reading all this non-sense and you never get anywhere. I've never seen anything like it. Their reverbs are not the only thing that is 'convoluted' !

[jancivil]

...issue specific to your system, as "zipper noise" is not typical with any IK plugins.

I use parameter automation in Amplitube kind of extensively for certain things [FX], I would absolutely notice zipper noise. Never happened. Let me be clear: I rely on moving 'tweaks' of parameters of the FX extensively. I have experienced no problems with the noise. so if the argument is there is a problem with this per se, it can't be true. there is no insisting I'm deaf to it, it never happens here.

(I have had, more than once, parameters that were dead to me, didn't move at all. For me the midi control of Amplitube is a joke, fortunately I can haz automate from parameters so I don't need the midi. the pedal of Stealth more or less works in that limited application.)

[annode]

jancivil. The bottom paragraph in your reply is confusing...at least to me.

I have run the separates in a host and have noise when moving the knobs. BUT...I can blame my noise on an old video/audio card problem i've always had where moving/dragging anything will cause zippering like noise. It just so happens that IK GUIs seem to cause noticeably more noise then others.

The noise can NOT be recorded within a host, it's only in the direct monitoring and it's not too bad.

[Ch00rD]

...issue specific to your system, as "zipper noise" is not typical with any IK plugins.

I use parameter automation in Amplitube kind of extensively for certain things [FX], I would absolutely notice zipper noise. Never happened. Let me be clear: I rely on moving 'tweaks' of parameters of the FX extensively. I have experienced no problems with the noise. so if the argument is there is a problem with this per se, it can't be true. there is no insisting I'm deaf to it, it never happens here.

(I have had, more than once, parameters that were dead to me, didn't move at all. For me the midi control of Amplitube is a joke, fortunately I can haz automate from parameters so I don't need the midi. the pedal of Stealth more or less works in that limited application.)

Let me be equally clear: until I see a screen cap with audio doing the same thing that I did (feed AT a clean sine wave, then adjust a parameter like input level quickly) but without zipper noise, I have no way to tell if it does not happen on your system or if you're 'deaf to it'. It consistently happens here, on any host, any combination of other settings. It shows up in rendered audio so even if I'd be deaf to it, I can *see* it. And it's not like my MBP is a crap computer for making music in general; this issue is completely unique to IK Multimedia plug-ins here.

But the point here is not whether or not it happens on every system. The point is that IKM reps tell me that it is an issue specific to my system, but consistently fail to show any factual evidence to such a claim, while the burden of proof is on them after I have clearly demonstrated the issue. Feel free to step in and help them do their job, but that will mainly serve to reinforce the underlying issue: IK Multimedia's support sucks.

[hibidy]

Two things will keep me from buying IK's. One, there are times when it goes mono. You're in echo heaven and then bam, it just goes mono for a second. The little correlation meter shows this btw. Second, it's iffy with time sync. In studio one you have to switch to BPM, then adjust the tempo of the host, then it will sync.

I've got plenty of quirky delays that don't behave as expected, I don't need another. I like the "first" echoFLEX (plug and mix) as it sounds good, is a bit easier to use and I already have it

Sorry IK, it's just not there for me.

[jancivil]

jancivil. The bottom paragraph in your reply is confusing...at least to me.

there are knobs in certain FX the automation in my host does not have any effect on, they do not move. I've encountered it maybe twice. I don't know.

The MIDI control for AT2 is not useful to me at all. I don't feel like typing the hows and whys, I forgot about it long ago. I did look at it per a thread recently, and it def. isn't me. I'm saying I abandoned that idea long ago in favor of the automation list.

I do some movement of knobs by mouse during playback to get a start on the amp tone, which is not the most intensive listening I suppose but in mixes I have very elaborate automation which I simply have to hear, and I do not hear *zippering*. I don't see anything either. If someone at IK says 'it can't possibly happen' it isn't my job to opine on that. But if it doesn't happen on all systems, clearly there is a problem per the system it occurs on.

[hibidy]

I've heard of the "zipper" issue, but I've not experienced it YET with IK products. I have all kinds of strange issues, but not the zipped issue. Nor do I remember ever having it.

With my luck, the next time I use it it will zipper

[SAW75]

...issue specific to your system, as "zipper noise" is not typical with any IK plugins.

I use parameter automation in Amplitube kind of extensively for certain things [FX], I would absolutely notice zipper noise. Never happened. Let me be clear: I rely on moving 'tweaks' of parameters of the FX extensively. I have experienced no problems with the noise. so if the argument is there is a problem with this per se, it can't be true. there is no insisting I'm deaf to it, it never happens here.

+1 exactly here too. Extensive live tweaking with zero artifacts.

[Ch00rD]

...issue specific to your system, as "zipper noise" is not typical with any IK plugins.

I use parameter automation in Amplitube kind of extensively for certain things [FX], I would absolutely notice zipper noise. Never happened. Let me be clear: I rely on moving 'tweaks' of parameters of the FX extensively. I have experienced no problems with the noise. so if the argument is there is a problem with this per se, it can't be true. there is no insisting I'm deaf to it, it never happens here.

+1 exactly here too. Extensive live tweaking with zero artifacts.

Well, *again*, please show me a screen cap with audio then. Video or it didn't happen. Posting opinions without factual evidence only serves to illustrate that cognitive bias issues may be at play - no offense intended to anyone, they are just a fact of life, and I'm not immune to them either.

The issue with the IK Multimedia Echoplex emulation (to keep the discussion somewhat on-topic) is very clearly audible and visible here (fwiw: recorded on a MBP, perhaps the most popular system for producing music, which does not show these issues with any other plug-ins in any host I have used).

What bothers me most here is not any particular technical issue (I can mention plenty of others), it is the extremely poor technical support of IK Multimedia. *Again*, note that Brian told us he would follow up on the issue "this week" three weeks ago, but obviously still hasn't. Which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Brian's statement was no less than a deceptive lie to a paying customer, period. And that yet again confirms the pattern of *all* my previous interactions with IK Multimedia staff. YMMV.

[vic_france]

The issue with the IK Multimedia Echoplex emulation (to keep the discussion somewhat on-topic) is very clearly audible and visible here (fwiw: recorded on a MBP, perhaps the most popular system for producing music, which does not show these issues with any other plug-ins in any host I have used).

I can confirm the zipper noise in those same circumstances here in Cubase 7.0.3, Mac (64-bit), although, I must say, I'm not sure I know in what circumstances one would actually need to sweep the input gain in realtime.. could you describe an example, please? .
I have quickly tried a few of my other delays, (RP Delay, and Melda MMultiBandDelay) and they have the same zipper noise on the input parameter, whereas the PSPAudio delays do not.
But, like I said, not a critical issue for me, for that parameter (and, as far as I can tell, the IKM stuff seems zipper noise-free on all the parameters where it could otherwise be a problem).

[blueman]

I know there are a lot of people who aren't crazy about Nomad Factary here, but has anyone compared the IK Echoplex to the versions contained in Nomad Factory's Echoes? As I recall, it was one of the two Nomad Factory plugins (Magnetic being the other one)that had a number of fans,-and received some good mag reviews.

I have them both, and did extensive comparisons. The IK version wins for me, every time!