XILS Roland Vocoder VP-330 Plus - NEW SYNTH

[Ingonator]

yeah, sure if you have an old cpu you must test it for compatiblity. anyway, it's to everyone themself to decide: so i'm pretty sure my new cpu will take it like it take every other dll till now.

If other Xils Lab plugin work on your system it is very much likely this one will work too.
If not it should be reported to Xavier and i'm sure a solution will be found.

If your CPU could handle Synthix it should be able to handle V+ too but don't expect that V+ will be low on CPU use.


Ingo

[jowen]

Kriminal wrote:
I would say buying a product by ANY company without testing is a bad idea. There are so many computer variables, its best to test a product first. Its not about trust/faith/loyalty. A company has never release a bug free product, simply because you cannot test on every variation of computer/software....

and

Alchemy didnt work at all here when it was released

please be careful to say that so open, it is not allowed by any company or developer here on KVR, its only allowed give them your money, ask no question, to praise and celebrate them!!

Is it not the case, they call you a troll at least, tell you that you have your days or other very kind words.

Another writes that we should go back to discuss the product, so what should be discussed?
One picture, seven little audiofiles and very important the costs, so again what should be discussed?

[Ingonator]

Kriminal wrote:
I would say buying a product by ANY company without testing is a bad idea. There are so many computer variables, its best to test a product first. Its not about trust/faith/loyalty. A company has never release a bug free product, simply because you cannot test on every variation of computer/software....

and

Alchemy didnt work at all here when it was released

please be careful to say that so open, it is not allowed by any company or developer here on KVR, its only allowed give them your money, ask no question, to praise and celebrate them!!

Is it not the case, they call you a troll at least, tell you that you have your days or other very kind words.

Another writes that we should go back to discuss the product, so what should be discussed?
One picture, seven little audiofiles and very important the costs, so again what should be discussed?

This is starting to get ridiculous.

As said many times there is a small risk when taking the pre-order route and you should wait for the introduction offer (10€ more and a demo will be available then) if you are not sure.
Anyway as i already mentioned as long as other Xils Lab products are running on your computer (you could check the other demos of e.g. Oxium 1.5 or the latest from Synthix) also V+ will run too most likely.
Lotuzia already mentioned that the pre-order route is thought to be used mostly by existing Xils customers and V+ should run on their systems.

Concerning the audio demos i already mentioned i'll try to post more when competition ends and the the pre-order starts. Maybe xils Lab itself will post more examples too.

If it should happen that you took the pre-order route and it will not run on your system there should be a few options:

1.) report the problem to Xils support including you system specifications (including OS, host software etc.) and they will try to solve this.

2.) Wait until the full price (149€) is reached and you could sell the license for the full price you paid or maybe a bit less.

3.) Maybe you could arrange a refund if Xils Lab is not able to solve your problem


AGAIN: If you are unsure and never used a product from Xils Lab before you should wait until the introduction offer starts and the demo is available.
The introduction offer will be still 50€ less than the final price.


Ingo

[Lotuzia]

And meanwhile you can still play with us and try to win a free licence of the V+

Just listen to the 7 a/b clips pairs, guess wich is the V+, and wich is the real vintage machine. Send your answers. Win. Or not ?

LtZ

[murnau]

@ Lotuzia:

a friend point me to it, in the newsletter it says:

Preorder the V+ is possible : You can Preorder the XILS V+ for a discounted price of 89€ ($115), from May 17th until May 25th.

Launch offer : from May 25th until June 30th, the XILS V+ will be 99€ ($129) .

shouldn't it be until May 24th for the Preorder?

thanx you in advance!

Hi Lotuzia, i understand with the Troll here it isn't easy to follow every serious question regarding the preorder.

can you please be so kind and answer me what price is on May 25th since for my not native english it looks like the preorder and launch offer overlap that day?

thank you in advance!

[Lotuzia]

@ Lotuzia:

a friend point me to it, in the newsletter it says:

Preorder the V+ is possible : You can Preorder the XILS V+ for a discounted price of 89€ ($115), from May 17th until May 25th.

Launch offer : from May 25th until June 30th, the XILS V+ will be 99€ ($129) .

shouldn't it be until May 24th for the Preorder?

thanx you in advance!

Hi Lotuzia, i understand with the Troll here it isn't easy to follow every serious question regarding the preorder.

can you please be so kind and answer me what price is on May 25th since for my not native english it looks like the preorder and launch offer overlap that day?

thank you in advance!

Hi Murnau,

yes there's a superposition day problem thanks for pointing this out.

I'll post the precise answer as soon as I have it dont worry.

LtZ

[aMUSEd]

@ Lotuzia:

a friend point me to it, in the newsletter it says:

Preorder the V+ is possible : You can Preorder the XILS V+ for a discounted price of 89€ ($115), from May 17th until May 25th.

Launch offer : from May 25th until June 30th, the XILS V+ will be 99€ ($129) .

shouldn't it be until May 24th for the Preorder?

thanx you in advance!

Hi Lotuzia, i understand with the Troll here it isn't easy to follow every serious question regarding the preorder.

can you please be so kind and answer me what price is on May 25th since for my not native english it looks like the preorder and launch offer overlap that day?

thank you in advance!

Hi Murnau,

yes there's a superposition day problem thanks for pointing this out.

I'll post the precise answer as soon as I have it dont worry.

LtZ

I just interpreted the "until" as up to the 25th, not up to and including the 25th.

[mellotronaut]

the Troll here

[ChiTown24]

Kriminal wrote:
I would say buying a product by ANY company without testing is a bad idea. There are so many computer variables, its best to test a product first. Its not about trust/faith/loyalty. A company has never release a bug free product, simply because you cannot test on every variation of computer/software....

and

Alchemy didnt work at all here when it was released

please be careful to say that so open, it is not allowed by any company or developer here on KVR, its only allowed give them your money, ask no question, to praise and celebrate them!!

Is it not the case, they call you a troll at least, tell you that you have your days or other very kind words.

Another writes that we should go back to discuss the product, so what should be discussed?
One picture, seven little audiofiles and very important the costs, so again what should be discussed?

+1
nailed it

Anyway as i already mentioned as long as other Xils Lab products are running on your computer (you could check the other demos of e.g. Oxium 1.5 or the latest from Synthix) also V+ will run too most likely.

That's your opinion, based on ? based on your deep technical understanding of how each of the xils-lab plugins have been coded ?
You have a habit of speaking in this authoritative tone, it's very easy to 'misunderstand' some of the things you say as being the 'official' word from the dev. You need to start using phrases like "in my opinion", "i suspect", "speaking for myself" ... etc and also state what those opinions & suspicions are based on i.e experience as an end user, experience as a DSP coder - etc. To the casual reader, it seems that some of the things you say come from a much more informed & authoritative background than you actually have. Personally, I don't plan apologizing to you a second time for mistaking what you say as being in line with what the Dev thinks or says in private. So, please do your best to avoid future misunderstandings, so as not to inadvertently mislead anyone. Thanks!

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Well, of course, Lotuzia doesn't reply to my post where I addressed his statements and corrected him for dishing out some false accusations & blatantly false statements. But OK, I don't blame him I suppose since he couldn't possibly have anything to offer in the form of a meaningful rebuttal anyway. Still, if truthful discourse is the motivation of all parties - one should be ready to concede when the arguments they put forth are proven entirely, unequivocally wrong.

Nevertheless, there are some things he really should have addressed for the benefit of others. Especially: earlier on in the thread and in defense of his make believe pre order scheme he said the following;; {within a long post that covered various points}

After all, at this price, it wont be taht much trouble to resell it after in the market price without suffering a big loss ( maybe 10/15 € ? )

to which I replied;; {within a long post that covered various points}

You say that as if you haven't seen so many xils-lab threads destroyed with dongle talk, you say it as if you yourself have not also created a dedicated dongle discussion thread to abate this very behaviour. re-selling dongled stuff isn't as easy-going as software protected by other methods.

and he replied;; {within a long post that covered various points}

And finally Elicencer transferts are free, and Xils doesnt take anything on this, and doesnt impose any period before reselling. Well, you can compare this with alternative offers.

I somehow missed this, as dongles are not something I'm really concerned about, but it dawned on me one page 13 - in the post Lotuzia has yet to address;;

BTW in looking up that post, I noticed you claim that Elicenser transfers are free. Are you saying that elicenser protected xils-lab products can be transferred electronically ? That would be good if true. Otherwise suggesting elicenser transfers are 'free' is disingenuous at best. An elicenser dongle is not free. posting it is not free. e-licenser transfers have to be done physically these days, unless xils-lab is one of the exceptions. please confirm.

Well, since Lotuzia refuses to confirm, I just confirmed it myself {unless something has changed, but I doubt it}

Yes, the PolyKB (as well as the full version of the XILS 3) needs USB protection keys. This is dedicated USB stick available from two independent and not compatible companies : PACE (for iLok) and Steinberg (for eLicenser)

The both are stable and the only way choose one from the other is to look for the plug-in you would like to get or demo.
An other thing which may be useful to know is for license transfer :
iLok : $25 fee, but this is done through their server (no need for physical exchange)
eLicenser : free, but exchange can be done only between two dongle connected on the same computer. A physical exchange is needed.

Hope it helps


Best regards
Xavier

http://www.xils-lab.com/xo_phpBB/viewto ... f=7&t=3288

You can see the important bit in bold print. So, now we can see how 'flexible' Lotuzia is with the truth. And when someone smells BS, and scrutinizes a little... he doesn't reply. Doesn't even confirm some simple facts.
So, anyone thinking of pre-ordering could be reading this page...and taking Lotuzia at his word, and in the context of being challenged about the comparative nuisance & cost of re-selling dongled licenses - especially elicensers - he claims "And finally Elicencer transferts are free, and Xils doesnt take anything on this, and doesnt impose any period before reselling."
Seriously ? Elicenser dongles must be free in france ? As well as international post ? Otherwise, like I said, to claim Elicenser transfers are free {as in free} is disingenuous at best. By that I mean, on your most optimistic day, with your most optimistic hat on, then and only then could you manage to say and believe that he was being disingenuous in making that statement. IMO. On an average day, that kind of 'flexibility' with the facts has much uglier labels.

dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisinˈjenyo͞oəs/
Adjective
Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

[aMUSEd]

Otherwise suggesting elicenser transfers are 'free' is disingenuous at best. An elicenser dongle is not free. posting it is not free. e-licenser transfers have to be done physically these days, unless xils-lab is one of the exceptions. please confirm.

It means free as in XILS don't charge for it. Just as any product that has a physical aspect (box, dongle, hardware, disks etc) people pay for postage, that is obvious but not what is meant by a charge for transfer to anyone who isn't straining to misunderstand.

[mellotronaut]

after doing the Troll test myself, means reading this thread, i have to say: ChiTown24 is no troll, but dead serious.
looking forward to eventually buying VP-330. sounds much to my likes.

cheers

where do i have to put the 'donate' button?

[Ingonator]

That's your opinion, based on ? based on your deep technical understanding of how each of the xils-lab plugins have been coded ?
You have a habit of speaking in this authoritative tone, it's very easy to 'misunderstand' some of the things you say as being the 'official' word from the dev. You need to start using phrases like "in my opinion", "i suspect", "speaking for myself" ... etc and also state what those opinions & suspicions are based on i.e experience as an end user, experience as a DSP coder - etc. To the casual reader, it seems that some of the things you say come from a much more informed & authoritative background than you actually have. Personally, I don't plan apologizing to you a second time for mistaking what you say as being in line with what the Dev thinks or says in private. So, please do your best to avoid future misunderstandings, so as not to inadvertently mislead anyone. Thanks!

First i got all other Xils Lab synths and a few of their FXs so this is one thing where my opinion is based on.
Second i used the term "most likely" which means there is a possibility that i'm wrong.

Third i gave a few options for the case you enter the pre-order and find problems afterwards where the first one is to contact Xils as soon as a problem occurs which seems to be a logical reaction. I got a little experince from Beta test for Oxium and now V+ and i know that Xavier could do corrections quite fast as long as you deliver detailed informations about a possible bug.
I also remember that during the Oxium Beta test that i entered from the first day on and did not observe a single crash with any of the multiple versions. While i found a few bugs while testing V+ i did not have any crash with that one too.

Based on a post you made in another thread i got that you already use some Xils Lab products. So why do you expect that V+ will cause huge problems? BTW which OS and host/DAW software do you use? Maybe that combination was already tested.

As told many times you could wait until the introduction price (with a demo then) if you are not sure about the pre-order. I also mentioned i'll post some more demos when the pre-order will start.


Ingo

[murnau]

after doing the Troll test myself, means reading this thread, i have to say: ChiTown24 is no troll, but dead serious.
looking forward to eventually buying VP-330. sounds much to my likes.

cheers

where do i have to put the 'donate' button?

i have a problem with.. ..ahhh.. what was it exacty?

ps. i finally found out what great feature this "mute me" here is.. dead serious!

[electro]

The A/B quiz is not so easy
http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-VPLUS_Contest.html

[murnau]

Hi Murnau,

yes there's a superposition day problem thanks for pointing this out.

I'll post the precise answer as soon as I have it dont worry.

LtZ

thank you Lotuzia!

i'll preorder anyway, it's just for my pal who asked and isn't member here.