will notation programs be phased out?

[memyselfandus]

I'm definitely not saying that there will be no notation programs whatsoever but...
with the rising popularity of the piano roll type workflows, sample libraries with premade orchestrations and programs that do all the composing for you such as bad in a box Exedra Exedra. and less and less people using notation let alone learning how to read notation in the first place. schools everywhere dropping music programs.

Ablton has push now And most of it is based on pattern type workflows.

Not enough people demanding notation in their daw of choice.

avid getting rid of the sibelius team.

how long before notation and notation programs are a thing of the past? as far as typical musical compositions go for the mainstream electronic musician composer poser?

even right now there's only a handful of good notation programs that exist.

[Ogg Vorbis]

...as far as typical musical compositions go for the mainstream electronic musician composer poser?

Do mainstream electronic music composer posers use much notation anyway?

[miskaseppa]

how long before notation and notation programs are a thing of the past? as far as typical musical compositions go for the mainstream electronic musician composer poser?

Firstly I don't think that DAWs need ability to produce finalised notation. You should be able to easily export a sequence to a dedicated notation program. When I need notation I export from Pro Tools to Sibelius. I'm a little bit nervous about the future of Sibelius. We will see if I have to learn another program.

We have had notation for centuries and I don't think that computer revolution will change that. Pop/Rock music has existed and succeeded without the use of notation. There is much room for electronic musicians who don't need or want to use notation. Notation, as great as it is, has it's limitations in popular music. Much of electronic music is as dependent on the innovatiove sound as it is on the selection of notes.

On the other hand. When you need to have a large number of people play something together without rehearsal there is no alternative. How else can you put 10 musicians in the studio, press record, and hear them play a piece of music they have not heard a single time?

I hope that sibelius will be saved and manufacturers of all DAWs will feel that there are enough people using notation, that is practicable to keep notation in them.

[Ogg Vorbis]

Betty Crocker instant cake mixes did not replace baking from scratch. It only allowed more people to get involved in the cake making racket. That's sort of how I view computer music.

[memyselfandus]

what kind of luck have you been having importing midi composed in your daw to sibelius? It seems every time I import MIDI from something else I have to manually correct at least a few errors for a lot of times a bunch of errors. Not sure how it would have any errors anyway since alot of stuff with errors is quantized and everything.

yeah I've been keeping my eye on the sibelius stuff also. Looks like they are part of Steinberg now. Will be interesting to see what they do with it. Hopefully it won't be another hypersonic 2 episode.

[memyselfandus]

Betty Crocker instant cake mixes did not replace baking from scratch. It only allowed more people to get involved in the cake making racket. That's sort of how I view computer music.

lol I like that analogy. there are more people who eat than then there are who use notation though.

[memyselfandus]

I also wonder what could evolve as far as different features being added to the piano roll within daws that do not offer notation. what sort of features could be added to the piano roll to compensate for some of those notation based deficiencies?

[SJ_Digriz]

...as far as typical musical compositions go for the mainstream electronic musician composer poser?

Do mainstream electronic music composer posers use much notation anyway?

Are mainstream electronic music composers the only people using DAWs? Using notation for EDM is like using an electron microscope to read a magazine. It's not necessary or well suited to the purpose.

[Tricky-Loops]

Recently I went to a concert of a Symphony Orchestra, and there was nothing in the hall than a laptop, a PA system and one director - no other musicians, no real instruments, no notation any more... They started the laptop, and then the music was playing...

[miskaseppa]

what kind of luck have you been having importing midi composed in your daw to sibelius?

There is a lot of work from the Pro Tools export to the printed notes.

1) Duplicate a Pro Tools session for notation and delete all tracks that will not need notation.
2) Open Pro Tools notation editor and set the clefs for the instruments and check names.
3) Use Export to Sibelius function.
4) Delete sampler keyswitch notes. Correct quantization errors (length and timing). Delete extra bars.
5) Do all normal notation stuff. (performance tips etc.)
6) Check and print.

So it is a lot of work, but it is still easier than doing it in Pro Tools. Pro Tools has so limited notation options that I find it impossible to work with.

[Sendy]

Just think, when we depict someone whistling or music coming out of a radio we draw music notes like quavers and crotchets. Perhaps in the future such illustrations will feature little rectangular blocks instead.

[miskaseppa]

Just think, when we depict someone whistling or music coming out of a radio we draw music notes like quavers and crotchets. Perhaps in the future such illustrations will feature little rectangular blocks instead.

[lfm]

It's expected that the vendors with really silly pricing philosophy would go away(biggest version of Sibelius and Finale). I mean program to presents so little complexity compared to daws cost much more than most.

Anyway there is a need for notation, partly to register your song by publishers.
Plenty also are reasonable in price.

I have a link I check out now and then:
http://music-notation-software-review.t ... views.com/

[pc999]

Actually notation is a far more efficient and elegant way of writing notes... Maybe not that good for micro automation lanes


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[jeffh]

I love this kind of forward-thinking, progressive topic...

You have to look at how notation came to be in the first place... It was a compact way to express music thousands of years ago, back when even pen and paper weren't as easily accessible to common people as they are now... Drawing a piano roll just wouldn't have been feasible, considering that you'd have to draw all of the grid lines by hand... It was also meant for musicians to read while playing an instrument, which is a use-case that has no relevance to DAWs or MIDI, now it's purely a convenience for people who are already accustomed to reading it that way.

There are plenty of old farts that will tell you that "notation will live forever", and "**contemporary** electronic music isn't real music", but their opinions are as antiquated and obsolete as they are... Contemporary = relevant now, which IMHO is better than being "irrelevant now", and lot of things people try to consider as "timeless" really aren't. In fact, I've heard better "classical" style music in the past 100 years (and even the past 20) than any of that boring-ass older stuff... It was a great display of the state of music theory for it's time, but the world has moved onto bigger (and dare I say, better) things...

Even Rock, etc... genres using notation seem to have lost quite a bit of relevance in the past decade or so, except that which has some heavy electronic influence... Unless somebody can show me something new that lives up to the glory days of 90s Rock/Metal, much less takes it to the next level... Because everything I've heard for a while could best be described as a generic imitation of what was cool back in the 90s...

It seems like Dubstep really stole Metal's thunder in the past 5 years, even Skrillex abandoned being a Metal/Punk singer to become a dubstep producer...