XILS Roland Vocoder VP-330 Plus - NEW SYNTH

[Kriminal]

Then it comes to the conclusion that the XILS V+ is so close to the original that one can't recognize it better than a random choice (with a slight preference for the XILS V+ as more "analog" sounding

im curious, who said that, and where did they say that? Do you have a link?Given that nobody knew which was which, they were guessing (either a complete guess or an educated guess) how could anyone say V+ was 'more analog' ?

Given that the hardware IS analogue, it seems anyone who thinks a digital plugin sounds 'more analog' has hearing problems, as its physically impossible.

the correct phrase would have been something like 'V+ sounds almost as analogue as the original' or ' V+ sounds so close to the original i couldnt tell the difference'

People who played with us said that by voting. With a strict binomial law repartition ( People guessing at random ), results would have been a bit more balanced. If we take the original machine as reference of the analog sound, people voting did favor a bit the V+. In other words, the V+ was perceived by gamers as a little more "vintage sounding" than the original. Another possible conclusion is that most people find both units were sounding almost identical, and thus analog, as at least one is definitely a true analog machine. You can draw your own conclusions if you wish, everything to analyse the vote can be found on the contest page, with more than 250 voters.

Ppl had to guess which audio example was plugin/hardware. Its was a guessing comp. Nobody said V+ sounded more/less analogue than the hardware. This is either a translation error or marketing spiel...

[paulbreeze]

Not that it counts or is interesting in any way... , but I listened to the examples in the comp. and tried to choose the rougher ones, because they sounded "more analog" to me.

And guess what, had 4 valid ones (V+) .

Probably the most problematic was the last one (7th), because the examples were not identical in their tune and pitch (and yes, I choose the wrong here, simply because I liked the first one more)...

And great thanks to Xils-Lab that we could also use our fidelity vouchers in the pre-order...

[murnau]

This is either a translation error or marketing spiel...

yeah, maybe or maybe not - many dont care because they try out the demo anyway but you seem to be the only one to have to point it out, really boring.

if you have noting to add why you come here and try to start another debate for nothing? come back if you have something substantial to complain about.

your whole comments here are nothing else then ridiculous.

[bluedad]

Please discuss the synth and less about each other.

[Kriminal]

yeah, maybe or maybe not

excellent deduction

many dont care because they try out the demo anyway

strange...the demo isnt out yet...

if you have noting to add why you come here and try to start another debate for nothing?

i asked a question, and i didnt ask you.

[Ingonator]

Additional Audio demos from Xils Lab (including one of mine, more details about that later) are available here:

http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-V%252b_Audio.html

More demos at the contest page:
http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-VPLUS_Contest.html

As promised more from myself will follow. I am working on them at this moment.

There is more info about V+ here:
http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-V%252b.html
http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-V%25 ... vider.html

Hi,

as promised i have prepared some audio demos from several Xils Lab V+ patches that were created by myself and most of them will be included in the factory presets.
No external FXs (also no compressor) have been used if not mentioned explicitly.

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Here are two demos using a V+ Strings patch with maximum Release time (second example is identical with one octave lower using the octave range selector in V+):
Xils V+ - Long Strings 1
Xils V+ - Long Strings 2

The V+ Strings patch in this demo uses maximum Attack and Release times:
Xils V+ - Slow Strings

Here are two demos using two Vox/Human voice patches with maximum Release time:
Xils V+ - Long Vox 1
Xils V+ - Long Vox 2

The V+ Vox/Human voice patch in this demo uses maximum Attack and Release times:
Xils V+ - Slow Vox


Those two patches are using a layer of the Strings and the Vox/Human voice sound:
Xils V+ - Strings + Vox 1
Xils V+ - Vangelis Layer
In the first example the Modwheel and/or Aftertouch is used for adding vibrato. I the second one the Modwheel could reduce the volume of the Vox sound and aftertouch could add vibrato.

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Here is an audio demo using the Strings ensemble and the Arts Acoustic BigRock Phase Shifter (= Small Stone Phaser emulation) and 50% dry/Wet amount:
Xils V+ - Strings + Big Rock Phaser 1

This is the same demo with the Phaser at maximum Dry/Wet amount:
Xils V+ - Strings + Big Rock Phaser 2

In this demo the same track is re-rendered using the built-in Phaser (built-in Reverb added too):
Xils V+ - Strings + Phaser 1

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For my first "experiments" with the V+ Vocoder i have used a single instance of the V+ FX plugin and the Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V plugin as the Vocoder input. The patches used for the PPG 3.V are part of my own commercial bank for it.

Here is a first audio demo using a single instance of V+ and one instance of PPG Wave 3.V as the input for the vocoder:

Xils V+ - PPG goes V+ Part I

This uses the vocoder (in "Water" mode) + Strings in the lower part and both the Male8 and Female Choir ("Human voice") in the upper part. On both parts a small amount of the direct Mic input is added.
At the beginning of the track i played the lead sound above the limit of the upper part so only the direct mic input is played there (which also seems to work above the limit of e.g. the Strings).
The internal Reverb was used in this example and no external FXs were added.

A second example that uses a single instance of V+ and two instances of PPG Wave 3.V as the input for the vocoder:

Xils V+ - PPG goes V+ Part II

This uses the vocoder (in "Water" mode) + Strings in the both parts and the Male8 Choir ("Human voice") in the upper part. On both parts a small amount of the direct Mic input is added.
The internal Reverb and the internal Phaser were used in this example and no external FXs were added.


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I have also tried to combine V+ with a sound from a hardware synth, in this case a Bass/Lead sound i had created on my Moog Slim Phatty:
V+ vs Slim Phatty - Part I

This is a single instance of a V+ Strings patch and a single instance of the Slim Phatty. The Bass/Lead sound usues ValhallaVintage Verb as an external FX and the Stillwell Audio Bombardier Buss Compressor is used
at the master bus.

UPDATE:

I made a few more audio demos based on patches i made for Xils V+ and patches i had created on my Moog slim Phatty:

V+ vs Slim Phatty - Part II

V+ vs Slim Phatty - Part III

V+ vs Slim Phatty - Part IV

Like in the older example (see above) this is a single instance of a V+ patch and a single instance of the Slim Phatty. The Lead sound uses ValhallaVintage Verb as an external FX and the Stillwell Audio Bombardier Buss Compressor is used at the master bus.

Additionally in the first example the Arts Acoustic Big Rock Phaser is used.



I am quite sure more demos will follow.



Have fun,
Ingo

[murnau]

yeah, maybe or maybe not

excellent deduction

many dont care because they try out the demo anyway

strange...the demo isnt out yet...

yep, means i dont care since you can try the demo in a week.

if you have noting to add why you come here and try to start another debate for nothing?

i asked a question, and i didnt ask you.

you bitching around without any substantial question. a real bumble.

[hakey]

Going on the fourth pair of A/Bs from the guessing game - specifically, the release portion for each clip - I'd say that the ensemble effect isn't quite there.

[Nielzie]

i asked a question, and i didnt ask you.

But by now it has come to a point that it is a little too obvious that XILS/Lotuzia and especially Ingonator are on your list of persons and/or companies that you are extremely critical about and you seem to like annoying them. Why don't you put them on a "Don't bother" list, less fun?

Why bother so much if you're (most probably) not interested in the product anyway?

[Lotuzia]

Additional Audio demos from Xils Lab (including one of mine, more details about that later) are available here:

http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-V%252b_Audio.html

More demos at the contest page:
http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-VPLUS_Contest.html

As promised more from myself will follow. I am working on them at this moment.

There is more info about V+ here:
http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-V%252b.html
http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/XILS-V%25 ... vider.html

Hi,

as promised i have prepared some audio demos from several Xils Lab V+ patches that were created by myself and most of them will be included in the factory presets.
No external FXs (also no compressor) have been used if not mentioned explicitly.

------------------------

Here are two demos using a V+ Strings patch with maximum Release time (second example is identical with one octave lower using the octave range selector in V+):
Xils V+ - Long Strings 1
Xils V+ - Long Strings 2

The V+ Strings patch in this demo uses maximum Attack and Release times:
Xils V+ - Slow Strings

Here are two demos using two Vox/Human voice patches with maximum Release time:
Xils V+ - Long Vox 1
Xils V+ - Long Vox 2

The V+ Vox/Human voice patch in this demo uses maximum Attack and Release times:
Xils V+ - Slow Vox


Those two patches are using a layer of the Strings and the Vox/Human voice sound:
Xils V+ - Strings + Vox 1
Xils V+ - Vangelis Layer
In the first example the Modwheel and/or Aftertouch is used for adding vibrato. I the second one the Modwheel could reduce the volume of the Vox sound and aftertouch could add vibrato.

------------------------

Here is an audio demo using the Strings ensemble and the Arts Acoustic BigRock Phase Shifter (= Small Stone Phaser emulation) and 50% dry/Wet amount:
Xils V+ - Strings + Big Rock Phaser 1

This is the same demo with the Phaser at maximum Dry/Wet amount:
Xils V+ - Strings + Big Rock Phaser 2

In this demo the same track is re-rendered using the built-in Phaser (built-in Reverb added too):
Xils V+ - Strings + Phaser 1

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For my first "experiments" with the V+ Vocoder i have used a single instance of the V+ FX plugin and the Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V plugin as the Vocoder input. The patches used for the PPG 3.V are part of my own commercial bank for it.

Here is a first audio demo using a single instance of V+ and one instance of PPG Wave 3.V as the input for the vocoder:

Xils V+ - PPG goes V+ Part I

This uses the vocoder (in "Water" mode) + Strings in the lower part and both the Male8 and Female Choir ("Human voice") in the upper part. On both parts a small amount of the direct Mic input is added.
At the beginning of the track i played the lead sound above the limit of the upper part so only the direct mic input is played there (which also seems to work above the limit of e.g. the Strings).
The internal Reverb was used in this example and no external FXs were added.

A second example that uses a single instance of V+ and two instances of PPG Wave 3.V as the input for the vocoder:

Xils V+ - PPG goes V+ Part II

This uses the vocoder (in "Water" mode) + Strings in the both parts and the Male8 Choir ("Human voice") in the upper part. On both parts a small amount of the direct Mic input is added.
The internal Reverb and the internal Phaser were used in this example and no external FXs were added.


For the first example here is a screenshot of the correspoonding setup in Ableton Live 9:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... up%201.png

The PPG Wave 3.V patch used for this is contained in my "Atmospheric Transients" soundset and is called "Feels Like PPG 2 IW".
That patch is based on a sample created from anotheer PPG 3.V patch sent through the Waldorf Lector Vocoder.


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I have also tried to combine V+ with a sound from a hardware synth, in this case a Bass/Lead sound i had created on my Moog Slim Phatty:
V+ vs Slim Phatty - Part I

This is a single instance of a V+ Strings patch and a single instance of the Slim Phatty. The Bass/Lead sound usues ValhallaVintage Verb as an external FX and the Stillwell Audio Bombardier Buss Compressor is used
at the master bus.



I am quite sure more demos will follow.



Have fun,
Ingo

Wow. Impressive, Ingo !

V+ seems to blend very well with the Phatty Ingo, very pleasant ensemble. The PPG demos are also very nice, very organic and live sound.

The phaser looks wider on my monitors. Its a good occasion to remind everyone that the V+ is available both as an INSTRUMENT AND AN EFECT. So you can use it to add whatever part of the V+ you like on any material.

This is also how to use the Vocoder, as an insert. To make the "English phrase" exemple on Xils site, I just inserted the V+ on the audio track, then played with the midi keyboard connected to the midi input of the V+.

LtZ

[Lotuzia]

you can try the demo in a week.
.

Yes Murnau , thanks for reminding people of this.

Demo version, as well as the full version, will both be released on may 26th.

Everyone can atm preorder the V+ at a 89€/115$ price until then.

Here's a quote from a member of another forum :

"Congratulations on the new XILS V+

It is refreshing to see such a unique synth developed.

I pre-ordered it. Very attractive Pre-Order Pricing.

Thanks,
M****t "

LtZ

[Ingonator]

Wow. Impressive, Ingo !

V+ seems to blend very well with the Phatty Ingo, very pleasant ensemble. The PPG demos are also very nice, very organic and live sound.

The phaser looks wider on my monitors. Its a good occasion to remind everyone that the V+ is available both as an INSTRUMENT AND AN EFECT. So you can use it to add whatever part of the V+ you like on any material.

This is also how to use the Vocoder, as an insert. To make the "English phrase" exemple on Xils site, I just inserted the V+ on the audio track, then played with the midi keyboard connected to the midi input of the V+.

LtZ

Hi Laurent,

many thanks for you kind words.

some of the demos were done yesterday or even today so the are still "fresh".

Concerning the Slim Phatty it usually cuts through the mix quite well but V+ seems to be a good combination indeed. BTW that Phatty patch only uses a small amount of the filter overload. Could be a very "angry" little synth...

About the Phaser:
The built in Phaser sounds really nice but the Big Rock (= the legendary Small Stone) phaser got a very special sound. The Big Rock preset i used for my demos is called "PD Eminent Jarre HiColoor" which is a factory preset).

A crazy thing is that the Big Rock plugin at the current price is more expensive than the smaller "Nano" version of the real thing:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/electro_harmon ... _stone.htm
Personally i got Big Rock during a sale.


Ingo

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Ingonator]

Hi i just want to check one more thing as i am not quite understanding the polyphony detail (as i a, not really an understander of synthesis in general TBH)

just to be sure before i pre order.. all that matters to me is not the technicals behind it but when i choose a pad sound that i have real 49 polyphony. is this the case? that means 49 keys? or is it like some other synths that might be 64 polyphony but use layers as such and you only get 16 in real world, for example..

If your CPU could handle it (and you got 49 fingers at your disposal...) it should be indeed be fully polyphonic. There is no polyphony setting. For doing splits and layers you have to switch on/off the corresponding switches in the 3 sections (Strings, Human voices, vocoder).

CPU use is not really low, it's comparable to Synthix or maybe less. The CPU use also depends on how many parts of the synth you use and if you use the built in FXs. Attack and Release times are important too.

UPDATE:
Just did a test with a basic Strings sound (Upper + lower part) with small Attack and Release time. I could hold all keys of 3 full octaves and all seem to be playing.
In a second test i was able to hold 4 octaves but only the white keys and again all of them seem to play.
My CPU is an more than 5 years old Core 2 Quad Q6600 (4 x 2.4 GHz).


Ingo

[Lotuzia]

Hi i just want to check one more thing as i am not quite understanding the polyphony detail (as i a, not really an understander of synthesis in general TBH)

just to be sure before i pre order.. all that matters to me is not the technicals behind it but when i choose a pad sound that i have real 49 polyphony. is this the case? that means 49 keys? or is it like some other synths that might be 64 polyphony but use layers as such and you only get 16 in real world, for example..

yes like Ingo said its real 49 voices polyphony Theo.

Actually its mainly because of the release. The first thing I noticed on my Vp-330 is that the release is HUGE ( like in veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy long ). So, like in a piano, the polyphony in a string machine is really something that needs to be looked after. Its is more CPU heavy if you play three fast successive 6 notes chords for example, but it has a reason