The witdh is auto locked (stepped) with the zoom function of the Mix Console. It's only working horizontally for the whole channel strip, and vertically for the racks. But not the fader.
The Track Symbol thing is also bugging me. But I didn't find a knob to turn that off either. I'm used to click there, now we have to choose a damn picture!
Things I hate about... - Cubase 7
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14739 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
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- KVRAF
- 2138 posts since 8 Feb, 2007
I just wish there was a lock facility that will inhibit zoom in/out while the focus is on the mixer.
Pressing the G/H while one is actually manipulation the mixer zoom is SOOOO obnoxious...
Pressing the G/H while one is actually manipulation the mixer zoom is SOOOO obnoxious...
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- KVRAF
- 2263 posts since 6 Aug, 2007
You can hide all of the track icon panels--they'll go away, and they won't capture any more mouse clicks. In the mixer, just click on that box in the upper-left that gives you all of your visibility options, and it's one of the check-boxes.Compyfox wrote: The Track Symbol thing is also bugging me. But I didn't find a knob to turn that off either. I'm used to click there, now we have to choose a damn picture!
In the track list, there is just a point on the track controls that you can right-click on to get an option something to the effect of "Hide Track Icons" or something.
They'll be out of your life, and you won't even know they're there any more.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
I've actually posted about these Reaper MIDI editor features before. They also have an arpeg painter that rocks. The Reaper MIDI editor is a piece of crap compared to Cubase. But, it has a few absolutely brilliant features that Cubase doesn't. By the way you can set the key/scale as an input filter and a paint filter.Compyfox wrote:EDIT:
I just saw a very interesting feature in Reaper, that is NOT included in Cubase yet... And that is "scale" and "chord" entering through the right mouse button in the piano-editor.
Seriously... this could be THE thing in Cubase 7, but alas... it's not there yet. Just external with the Chord Track. And I sure hope they implement a Circle of 5th with the next update. Non theory crackheads know jack sh*t what's going on with the current design.
Deffinetely with the Borgz would implement those features.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 1 Jun, 2013
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FYI, I finally got fed up with this and wrote a workaround for it. I just posted it to the Steinberg forums (https://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtop ... 84#p259484 (https://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=175&p=259484#p259484)). I found your post while searching for solutions so I registered here to share the workaround.Compyfox wrote:I have one severe issue with the "always on top" feature. Because it doesn't work! [..] Press on the console, or somewhere else on Cubase and boom - your "always on top" plugins are gone "behind" the fullscreen mixer.
It really is an embarrassing issue. It demonstrates that Steinberg's test team sucks and/or nobody there actually gives a crap about user experience.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Moving from Cubase to FL is like moving from an Aston Martin to a VW because you are unhappy with the cupholders.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 2263 posts since 6 Aug, 2007
Well said. I found that pretty humorous myself.SJ_Digriz wrote:Moving from Cubase to FL is like moving from an Aston Martin to a VW because you are unhappy with the cupholders.
Anyway, maybe I am misunderstanding, but how does the "Always on top" feature not work properly? Isn't it logical that if two windows are marked as "Always on top," the last one you clicked will be on top?
Therefore if your mixer is "Always on top," then it will hide the other windows, if only because it is much larger than any of the others. Saying that Steinberg "doesn't give a crap about users" because of this seems like a HUGE stretch. As far as I can tell, it works as intended.
Now I'm certainly not saying there is no room for improvement in their windowing system. Just that... I may be missing what the complaint with this specific feature is.
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- KVRAF
- 6159 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
I would respectfully disagree and Cubase certainly isn't the only workstation that suffers from that annoying issue.sockofgold wrote:Anyway, maybe I am misunderstanding, but how does the "Always on top" feature not work properly? Isn't it logical that if two windows are marked as "Always on top," the last one you clicked will be on top?
Therefore if your mixer is "Always on top," then it will hide the other windows, if only because it is much larger than any of the others.
Plug-in windows should always be on top of everything, by default, without doing anything. There really should be no case where a plugin UI can ever disappear behind a mixer window or similar. It makes no sense at all to ever do that. So given that the developers have (I suppose) full control over relative window Z-Order, plugin windows should always be at the top of that stack, by default, only being able to fall behind other plugin windows and similar, never behind the arrange screen, the mixer or even an edit window.
Imo, mmv it shouldn't even be anything that ever comes up for discussion. It should be automatic and not require any option or preference settings.
Anyway, the Cubase "Always on Top" setting is really just a hack for the outdated MDI window design. I suspect it will eventually disappear once they finish the full UI redesign.
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- KVRAF
- 2263 posts since 6 Aug, 2007
I guess it's just a matter of preference, then. If I click on the mixer, I want the mixer to be on top of everything, even plugin windows.LawrenceF wrote: There really should be no case where a plugin UI can ever disappear behind a mixer window or similar.
I just feel like the attitude here (not necessarily directed towards you, Lawrence) is "Steinberg is doing this wrong!" But it should really be more like "this behavior is not what I prefer." Saying Steinberg doesn't care about their customers because they default to a preference you don't like is silly.
Obviously, it would be best to have the option to choose your own behavior for this, but I think sometimes people forget when they complain about stuff like this that some people prefer things different ways then they do, and it doesn't mean Steinberg is "wrong" for choosing one over the other. You can't please everyone all of the time, et al.
But by all means, guys, if you hate Cubase so much because of the way this behaves, follow the suggestion above and make the switch over the FL Studio.
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- KVRAF
- 6159 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
I hear you. I personally see no use at all for that, having a plugin disappear behind a mixer. You'd typically want the plugs floating over the mixer so you can adjust them without moving the mixer to go look for them, if they all fall to the back every time you touch the mixer.
In this case I happen to agree in general (I say that with no malice towards Steiny) that they actually did kinda do that wrong and that the "Always on Top" fix for it is still a workaround. They'll sort it out as they change / modernize the overall UI though. I mean, if you don't want the plugin floating over the mixer, close it?
Reaper does the same thing btw, plugs will dissapear behind the mixer if you don't pin them down. I personally find it (in both) highly annoying, especially when you have 3-4 plugin UI's open to work on and you touch the full screen maximized mixer and all the plugs disappear into the background.
I have nothing personal against Steiny, on the contrary, they did a heck of a lot of things really well... but "Always on Top" thing actually kinda does suck. I think they know it kinda sucks and I think they'll get out of it eventually.
In this case I happen to agree in general (I say that with no malice towards Steiny) that they actually did kinda do that wrong and that the "Always on Top" fix for it is still a workaround. They'll sort it out as they change / modernize the overall UI though. I mean, if you don't want the plugin floating over the mixer, close it?
Reaper does the same thing btw, plugs will dissapear behind the mixer if you don't pin them down. I personally find it (in both) highly annoying, especially when you have 3-4 plugin UI's open to work on and you touch the full screen maximized mixer and all the plugs disappear into the background.
I have nothing personal against Steiny, on the contrary, they did a heck of a lot of things really well... but "Always on Top" thing actually kinda does suck. I think they know it kinda sucks and I think they'll get out of it eventually.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14739 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
The "always on top" bug I've been reporting (which seems not to be fixed in 0.4) has something to do with the full screen mixer mode.
What happens is that you open a plugin, everything else vanishes. You click on the mixer, the opened plugin vanishes into the background. Want to have several open - not possible.
This renders the whole "fullscreen mixer panel" invalid. No matter if on single screen or dual screen.
I definitely appreciate the effort though. I'm wondering myself why Steinberg doesn't listen to certain users. For example: my BCF still has non functioning keys in Mackie BabyHUI mode. That standard hasn't changed in the last 10 years. Yet - Cubase 7 is special.
I need to click (sometimes) like 5-8 times until a darn button responds. And yes, I checked if the buttons are sticky, and no, they aren't.
It's as if Steinberg kicked out certain users again intentionally. As it happened with the hardware users at times of SX1.
What happens is that you open a plugin, everything else vanishes. You click on the mixer, the opened plugin vanishes into the background. Want to have several open - not possible.
This renders the whole "fullscreen mixer panel" invalid. No matter if on single screen or dual screen.
I definitely appreciate the effort though. I'm wondering myself why Steinberg doesn't listen to certain users. For example: my BCF still has non functioning keys in Mackie BabyHUI mode. That standard hasn't changed in the last 10 years. Yet - Cubase 7 is special.
I need to click (sometimes) like 5-8 times until a darn button responds. And yes, I checked if the buttons are sticky, and no, they aren't.
It's as if Steinberg kicked out certain users again intentionally. As it happened with the hardware users at times of SX1.
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- Banned
- 4491 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK
My Cubase experience is stopping with 6.5.4 for as long as it takes them to realise what a mess they've made of Cubase.
It's solid, even solved my midi errors, OK I needed a new keyboard, but at least I have no more problems.
6.5.4 has everything I need, I am still pissed off with them for charging for the 6.5 upgrade then asking more for the padshop pro upgrade.
I'm happy with 6.5.4 now, it runs like I need it to, but they won't support anything with it now. Fk steinberg.
It's solid, even solved my midi errors, OK I needed a new keyboard, but at least I have no more problems.
6.5.4 has everything I need, I am still pissed off with them for charging for the 6.5 upgrade then asking more for the padshop pro upgrade.
I'm happy with 6.5.4 now, it runs like I need it to, but they won't support anything with it now. Fk steinberg.
Don't trust those with words of weakness, they are the most aggressive