Spire Synthesizer

[ftech]

......to you maybe.

I dunno' mate.

It's doing the business for me. I'm pleased with the results so far anyway, and it's only a young synth, which means it will be getting better ll the time.

No, I'm with you.
What you quoted was my reply to a post saying the synth was unusable at present.
I'm liking it so far

[GeorgeZ]

Out of interest, what's wrong with the envelopes? I'm yet to experience a problem with them myself.

There's sometimes an audible click sound on the release depending in vol env and filter env settings. Relatively noticeable, but easy to avoid by making the vol env and filter env's attack and release not 0, but 11 or more (11 being the first non-fine increment). Really not a biggy in my book (but if it could be fixed, that'd be good). Hardly the end of the world though (and yes, those plates sound really nice).

[dalor]

Any synth is only as good as you use it.

[Robmobius]

......to you maybe.

I dunno' mate.

It's doing the business for me. I'm pleased with the results so far anyway, and it's only a young synth, which means it will be getting better ll the time.

No, I'm with you.
What you quoted was my reply to a post saying the synth was unusable at present.
I'm liking it so far

Ah yeah man, sorry... that was meant for Kriminal. I knew you were with me, but I screwed up the quite thing'.

My bad bro'.

[Davias]

A sync option? Has this synth oscillator sync?? I have not found such option. But could be a limitation of the demo, maybe it's only in the full version?

Dunno if someone answer yet, but in the osc mode you can choose "classic" "noise" "FM" and "AMSync". AMSync is a mix between AM and Sync if I understood well ^^ For now it has this nasty noise on the high end (like white noise) but I hope they will add another mode in the future (I hope many things with this synth, I hope I will not be disappointed )

[Davias]

that sucks cause would have loved some sounds from you. Oh well

noticed i have not read any input from himalaya on this yet.. hope he digs it and creates some patches!

Don't worry Theo, I will make a bank certainly ! ^^

[Davias]

I'm not sure with this synth. It sounds different, remembers me in some parts more to my Virus. Sonic Academy Ana plays a bit in this department, but sounds different (more bright and IMO digital like a plug-in synth).
I cannot remember about a lot of synth with this morphing oscillators (Afaik Gladiator 2, Albino) and a Virus TI emulated filter.
Btw. I found this AMSync option but this is not oscillator sync or only a different name?

Free Feldspar has osc morphing too.

Does Sylenth have Sync ? I'm wondering...

[Davias]

Also, unison would be better, like say Retrologue or Largo have.

What is not nice with unison ? up to 9 voices, control of detune, density, width, unison can spread up to 3 octaves or make some chords. I'm curious to know what retrologue or largo can bring more ?

[Robmobius]

I've got Largo... It's decent. But I much prefer the sound of Spire's unison (and Osc's).

What really I don't like about Largo is the amount of mud you get when you try to make a dense sound.

Largo had such potential but it didn't cut it for me at all (imo).

[Frantz]

How does that song by the Doors go?

"The CPU couldn't get much higher
Come on optimize my Spire
Come on optimize my Spire
You could set the sales on fire"

[Kriminal]

......to you maybe.

Yep, and anyone else who is serious about music.

And here we go yet again..... Sigh....

Thank goodness for Meffys advice.. Write the retort, don't post.

I am curious though since you are clearly not even remotely a potential customer of the synth and decided against it, is there any reason to stay in the topic when it is actually the developers main topic about his product, and insult it but furthermore insult anyone here who uses it by saying they are not serious about music if they do? There are many of us using it right now.

its lazy coding, reflected in the init preset (when have you ever seen env settings like that in an init preset?...never is the answer)

anyone who wants to make sounds that have a zero attack/release cannot unless they want a nast click. If you are prepared to put up with that, you cannnot in anyway be serious about music. I dont see that as an insult, its more an observation.

As you just use presets you wont come across this probelm as they have all been compensated to hide this bug.

i suggest you mute me if you dont like what i post instead of trying to twist my words into something else in the hope one of the mods will take action (which seems to be your mission since you came back)

[Kriminal]

Here's an audio sample of the 12db/oct filter sweeping from the highest cutoff to the lowest with high resonance on 3 synths. I am demoing DUNE and Spire at the moment and own Sylenth1.

DUNE, then Spire, then Sylenth1

http://we.tl/43oLjlIX4d

Notice the difference? This sort of quality is usually indicative of pretty bad algorithms for the filter or potentially filters than need to be oversampled to sound good (which DUNE's aren't).

That alone makes DUNE a no go for me. Though I do like how tiny the CPU hit is for that synth

Dune's filters sound good to me, and i never use high res on any sounds (prob why 0dff are a waste of effort for me personally)

[Davias]

......to you maybe.

Yep, and anyone else who is serious about music.

And here we go yet again..... Sigh....

Thank goodness for Meffys advice.. Write the retort, don't post.

I am curious though since you are clearly not even remotely a potential customer of the synth and decided against it, is there any reason to stay in the topic when it is actually the developers main topic about his product, and insult it but furthermore insult anyone here who uses it by saying they are not serious about music if they do? There are many of us using it right now.

its lazy coding, reflected in the init preset (when have you ever seen env settings like that in an init preset?...never is the answer)

anyone who wants to make sounds that have a zero attack/release cannot unless they want a nast click. If you are prepared to put up with that, you cannnot in anyway be serious about music. I dont see that as an insult, its more an observation.

As you just use presets you wont come across this probelm as they have all been compensated to hide this bug.

i suggest you mute me if you dont like what i post instead of trying to twist my words into something else in the hope one of the mods will take action (which seems to be your mission since you came back)

Many other synths are clicking with fast enveloppes too. And the ones that doesn't click is just because they prevent you to set too short envelopes values. And if I make a bassdrum I guess this click will then be welcome.

But the artifact while modulating pitch, this I don't like, how do I make my nasty pweeeeet sound for trap music if it is not pure ? (reassure yourself all, I do trap music as I do classical, means I give a try at everygenre, but I'm no so fond of early trap for now, didn't even call it a subgenre before ppl start to talk about it).

Hope this will be fixed in the future.

[Crackbaby]

Here's an audio sample of the 12db/oct filter sweeping from the highest cutoff to the lowest with high resonance on 3 synths. I am demoing DUNE and Spire at the moment and own Sylenth1.

DUNE, then Spire, then Sylenth1

http://we.tl/43oLjlIX4d

Notice the difference? This sort of quality is usually indicative of pretty bad algorithms for the filter or potentially filters than need to be oversampled to sound good (which DUNE's aren't).

That alone makes DUNE a no go for me. Though I do like how tiny the CPU hit is for that synth

Dune's filters sound good to me, and i never use high res on any sounds (prob why 0dff are a waste of effort for me personally)

If you like Dune's filters you cant be serious about music.

[Ingonator]

Dune's filters sound good to me, and i never use high res on any sounds (prob why 0dff are a waste of effort for me personally)

If you like Dune's filters you cant be serious about music.

I have just played with my own sounds for Dune (those i submitted for the factory sounds) using some external FXs i got recently (PSP NobleQ, ValhallaVintageVerb) and this sounds amazing to me.
My favorite filter mode is the "LP24+Saturation" (Saturation added with the Offset knob) which is the 24dB Ladder filter with Saturation and was added due to my own request during the Beta testing.

With using the "Differential Unison Engine" you could layer up to 8 different sounds which could lead to very complex and interesting sounds. I have also done additive sounds using 8 Sine waveforms with proper pitch and volume settings for each of them (using the mod matrix) this way.
You could morph between waveforms or scan trough the whole 69 additional waveforms if you like (like wavetable synthesis). If you modulate the waveform selection with the step sequencer you could also do "wave sequencing".

To me the more "digital" sounds Dune could create are more amazing than the analog ones (while it could also do some really nice analog like sounds).

Anyway for high resonance sounds there are indeed better synths and i got several with the (in)famous 0df filters.
The "Acid" filter in Diversion is great for such sounds too and i got great results with using resonant single cycle waves in Rayblaster.

My point is that i know several of the many softsynths i got quite well now (and try to learn others a bit more) and did not find anything in Spire that i would really need.

This does not mean that others could not find Spire very useful, especially if they are not already "spoiled" with softsynths like i am at the moment (and still want to get rid of some of them).


Ingo