Looking for "The Police" Kontakt Drum Presets for (Studio Drummer, 70s/60s Drummer)+ good headphones

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

i use krk 8400's a lot of the time straight out of my mbp output..they are great cans...very un-flattering to the sound (which is a good thing), and extremely comfortable

i have also heard good things about the cheaper krk 6400's

at m50's may make good gaming cans but have a bit too much bass flattery going on for good mixing decisions..that being said, you can learn how this influences your decisions and learn to compensate, but too much boosting in any area will influence the sound of the whole spectrum and leave you maybe doubting what you are hearing

[synchronizer]

I'll look into them.

Do you know anything about the Sony 7506?'

EDIT: according to reviews, krk 8400 is very accurate in comparison with the Sony 7506. That's great! People complain that the headphones are uncomfortable, but from your experience, are they bad at all? I know that I won't be composing with the headphones on all the time, so if I take breaks, discomfort will not be a huge issue.
Bass is apparently "unflattering," but accurate, which is what I want.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I'll look into them.

Do you know anything about the Sony 7506?'

EDIT: according to reviews, krk 8400 is very accurate in comparison with the Sony 7506. That's great! People complain that the headphones are uncomfortable, but from your experience, are they bad at all? I know that I won't be composing with the headphones on all the time, so if I take breaks, discomfort will not be a huge issue.
Bass is apparently "unflattering," but accurate, which is what I want.

i believe that the 6400's are more uncomfortable and also a little more shrill in the upper mid-range....it seems many people on head-fi replace the pads of the 6400's with the 8400 pads to improve comfort and bass

i came from a pair of heavy grado cans to these, and these in comparison are so light and comfortable...i can only speak for myself in this regard

however, for the benefit of your mixing, regular breaks are very important...it doesn't take too long for you to become used to the sounds you are hearing, and you can go for hours digging yourself into a huge hole with mixing only to find the next day that it is unlistenable

taking proper breaks does somewhat negate the comfort issue, but not totally

i'm so glad i scored the 8400's for a great 2nd-hand deal....maybe sign up over at head-fi...they have a great market place, so you might be able to snag a good deal..just be careful !! their passion for all things can/iem etc can send you into a spin you might never recover from

[synchronizer]

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... 1&scale=30

hmmm...odd it does boost the bass a little.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

this is one of my abbey 70's tight custom kits...squeezed the life out of it to get it real tight..might try to record a little jam to show it on it's own

http://soundcloud.com/el-bo/1303_el-bo_funkthat

[synchronizer]

I like the sound of your kit very much (and the music as well). Do you have a 70s drummer preset that I can just place into the proper directory?

Also,

http://doctorhead.ru/upload/iblock/f95/fr.png

^ my current headphones. The chart of the KRK looks more promising.

[kbaccki]

The KRK's look good... esp. for only $150. I might have to give those a try myself. This SOS review says they're designed to reproduce the experience of listening to studio monitors, and describes somewhat forward 1.5kHz - 4kHz range... http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar11/a ... ns8400.htm ... which I guess might coincide with the various graphs I've seen... so just like mixing with actual studio monitors, you still need to know your tools! Certainly non-hyped bass or highs is a huge plus for those... I agree with ebow about taking breaks... very important, esp. with headphones. I'd also say learn to listen and critique at low volume as well, which can overall help with fatigue, not to mention avoid hearing loss and tinnitus! And also get to know your headphones with mixes of other songs you want to emulate.

[synchronizer]

We've been thinking that the KRKs don't boost the bass, but ironically,

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... Type=0&gra phID[]=2961&scale=30

hmmm

They still look great compared with my AE2s.

[kbaccki]

Not sure about that graph... here's another comparison that I think may be more reflective of reality, beased on descriptions of the KNS 8400...

Sony MDR-7506
(ref: http://en.goldenears.net/4726)



KRK KNS 8400
(ref: http://en.goldenears.net/9213)




You can see the sony's are much more of a "smiley face" response, while the KRK's are much more even throughout with a little bump in the 1k-5k range...

[synchronizer]

Well it's a huge improvement over this:

[Smasha]

Here's a preview of what I'm writing: (and the current drum sound)

http://db.tt/eZlLE2an

Snare needs to be tuned higher to get Copeland's sound.

The trouble is it's not the tones,it's the way the drummers played.
I reckon Bonham would've sounded like Bonham if he played an 18 inch kick drum.

That's one thing today's recordings have lost.Individualism.

I could tell any drummer back in the 70's by listening to them.
You can't really do that now.

P.S. Anyone doing a sample library of Phil Collins Lamb Lies Down On Broadway kit?

That has the most amazing bell like tom sounds I've ever heard.
All his tuned tambourines as well sound really interesting.

[synchronizer]

How would I adjust the drums in the 70s Drummer mixer to tune them more like Stewart's drums?

[kbaccki]

Go to "Kit" tab, select a kit piece, tweak the "Tune" knob... it just pitches the sample groups up/down, so not a lot of control over, say, pitch of rimshot versus cross stick...

BTW, picked up a pair of those KNS8400 yesterday... definately a step up from the MDR-7506 as far as mixing goes... the KNS8400 low end is actually pretty punchy and defined, but in no way hyped... in comparison the MDR-7506 have a tad bit of muddiness in the bass, but it's the MDR-7506 top end that is waayyyy over the top. For the price, the KRK's are a really good set of phones... very natural sounding, indeed. Again, I don't think that measurement you showed from headphone.com is quite right, for whatever reason....

[synchronizer]

I ended up purchasing the KRKs and I cannot wait until they arrive.

[kbaccki]

Oh, and they are really comfy, actually... at least on my head.