Some audio demos, any feedback appreciated obviously!
Bach - Sei gegrusset, Jesu gutig Partite Diverse
Bach - Toccata and Fugue in B min
Bach - Fantasia and Fugue in G minor
test real performance
Cheers,
Max
Available Soon: Orgelwerke for Kontakt
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- KVRAF
- 4585 posts since 2 Nov, 2006
Available soon for Kontakt 4: Orgelwerke (church organ).
Some audio demos, any feedback appreciated obviously!
Bach - Sei gegrusset, Jesu gutig Partite Diverse
Bach - Toccata and Fugue in B min
Bach - Fantasia and Fugue in G minor
test real performance
Cheers,
Max
Some audio demos, any feedback appreciated obviously!
Bach - Sei gegrusset, Jesu gutig Partite Diverse
Bach - Toccata and Fugue in B min
Bach - Fantasia and Fugue in G minor
test real performance
Cheers,
Max
Last edited by MaxSynths on Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRian
- 628 posts since 18 May, 2010
I don't like to disappoint you, but it doesn't sound like a church organ at all; it's very synth like, and it sounds almost like Wendy Carlos. One very obvious giveaway is the attack, which is fast and spiky, almost bell-like, and the sustained phase also sounds synthy, short-loop like. I'm afraid this won't be of much interest to organ players.
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- KVRAF
- 24456 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
It does sound plucky instead of straight-on like organs are...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4585 posts since 2 Nov, 2006
Oh no, your opinion is very important to me. Now I've got three responses (2 here and 1 PM); "it sounds synth like", the PM says he agree with you and according with EvilDragon is "plucky".
There are two organs "types" in the demos (1 and 3 is playing as "tutti" and 2 is just a "soft pipe"), I wonder if your comments apply to both patches.
EDIT: concerning the short loop impression, this is strange and kinda puzzle me because the samples are about 6-8 seconds long recorded at 96K 24bit. The loops are very long, and I think that in the examples above there are no examples of the loop points. I must admit that I'm confused.
There are two organs "types" in the demos (1 and 3 is playing as "tutti" and 2 is just a "soft pipe"), I wonder if your comments apply to both patches.
EDIT: concerning the short loop impression, this is strange and kinda puzzle me because the samples are about 6-8 seconds long recorded at 96K 24bit. The loops are very long, and I think that in the examples above there are no examples of the loop points. I must admit that I'm confused.
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- KVRian
- 628 posts since 18 May, 2010
The sound is reminiscent of the organ sound in romplers. Perhaps that's what trigger the association with a short loop.
What did you actually sample? And how? Did you process the samples afterwards?
About the attack: did you cut a lot from the front of the samples? Do you apply an envelope in Kontakt?
What did you actually sample? And how? Did you process the samples afterwards?
About the attack: did you cut a lot from the front of the samples? Do you apply an envelope in Kontakt?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4585 posts since 2 Nov, 2006
No, the samples are unprocessed.FLWrd wrote:Did you process the samples afterwards?
Not at all. The samples are using the original attack, as has been emulated, which is not so short, all samples have a "natural" fade in:About the attack: did you cut a lot from the front of the samples?
Nope, but I think that envelopes are not enough if doesn't sound like an organ at all...Do you apply an envelope in Kontakt?
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- KVRAF
- 24456 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
It has a church organ-like timbre, just the envelope of the sound is not organ-like. At least not like any church organ I've played (I've played a few 
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4585 posts since 2 Nov, 2006
I wonder if the problems are the demos... I've just used some midi files.EvilDragon wrote:It has a church organ-like timbre, just the envelope of the sound is not organ-like. At least not like any church organ I've played (I've played a few
Do you mind if I ask you to give it a try in Kontakt?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4585 posts since 2 Nov, 2006
You know, to be honest I think there is no fast attack at all. Simply there cannot be a fast attack because the samples do not have any fast attack.
Also there can not be a short loop feeling because there are no short loops.
As I said before I'm perplexed, but I have to trust my ears. I appreciate your opinions but they are based on wrong assumptions (no fast attack on the original samples and no short loops), so it's not a cheeky question. I'm also thinking that the low MP3 quality maybe is changing the overall sound a bit but I firmly believe that the instrument sounds quite good for a church organ for general use and it's far away from not sounding like a church organ at all.
Thanks for your input by the way.
Also there can not be a short loop feeling because there are no short loops.
As I said before I'm perplexed, but I have to trust my ears. I appreciate your opinions but they are based on wrong assumptions (no fast attack on the original samples and no short loops), so it's not a cheeky question. I'm also thinking that the low MP3 quality maybe is changing the overall sound a bit but I firmly believe that the instrument sounds quite good for a church organ for general use and it's far away from not sounding like a church organ at all.
Thanks for your input by the way.
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- KVRist
- 48 posts since 22 Jan, 2009
Sorry, but have to agree, there's a distinct artificial sound here.
The staccato notes ring and almost sound like a harpsichord instead of a pipe organ.
Second, it sounds like the notes were miked rather close. A church organ is always in a room with a good bit of reverb. I know the user of the samples can add their own reverb, but without it the examples don't really sound like a church organ. I get the Wendy Carlos Williams feel with these examples, too.
The midi you used may be part of the problem. I'd slow the playback down and add some reverb and see how it sounds. But those staccato notes ring very un-organ like.
Here's a link to some open source Bach recordings that could be useful for comparison. http://www.blockmrecords.org/bach/catalog.php
The staccato notes ring and almost sound like a harpsichord instead of a pipe organ.
Second, it sounds like the notes were miked rather close. A church organ is always in a room with a good bit of reverb. I know the user of the samples can add their own reverb, but without it the examples don't really sound like a church organ. I get the Wendy Carlos Williams feel with these examples, too.
The midi you used may be part of the problem. I'd slow the playback down and add some reverb and see how it sounds. But those staccato notes ring very un-organ like.
Here's a link to some open source Bach recordings that could be useful for comparison. http://www.blockmrecords.org/bach/catalog.php
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- KVRAF
- 24456 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
MaxSynths wrote:I wonder if the problems are the demos... I've just used some midi files.EvilDragon wrote:It has a church organ-like timbre, just the envelope of the sound is not organ-like. At least not like any church organ I've played (I've played a few
Do you mind if I ask you to give it a try in Kontakt?
Sure, PM me.
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- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
since organ pipes generate quite primitive sound waves it all depends on the convolution reverb to simulate church acoustics.
you should really put out your organ demotracks with a churchlike convolution reverb.
beside that, FLWrd exactly point it out imo.
you should really put out your organ demotracks with a churchlike convolution reverb.
beside that, FLWrd exactly point it out imo.
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