KVR Audio

Proxima4 · Post by **Proxima4** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:44 pm

They all do what they do and frankly I find them easy to use and have great sound quality in the mix.

I've done a bunch of A/B comparisons with various plugins and frankly I've never been concerned I missing something out.

For example download 2CAudio's Breeze then A/B it with Lives Reverb and make just one adjustment to Lives Reverb, put it in High Quality mode and set it up with similar settings as Breeze. ask youself why you would spend $99.00

Phaser and Flange are the 2 only plugs that have their unique character to Live i.e don't sound like the rest and if your not happy with this effect then go for a 3rd party product.

Frankly it's down to things you can do with 3rd party effects that are difficult or time consuming in Live that make you buy 3rd party effects.

I have a bunch, (I am a believer !) but from a stock list of DAW effects, you really don't need to look anywhere else.

Multi Band Dynamics in Live is for example a really nice and easy device to use, it has a very logical GUI and is low of CPU usage.

I find I use Izotope plugins such as Ozone, Alloy and Trash for polish as the interface offers a lot of compact options for changing the sound and it's easy to follow what you are doing in the chain with a larger interface, spectral analysers and multiband options.

waltercruz · Post by **waltercruz** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:49 pm

I have heard that Live EQ8 was not good. I disiked it cause it missed the spectrum analyser, and was using Mequalizer instead. Now, EQ8 on Live 9 has a spectrum analyser.

It's true that live EQ8 was not that good?

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:51 pm

waltercruz wrote:I have heard that Live EQ8 was not good. I disiked it cause it missed the visualizer, and was using Mequalizer instead. Now, EQ8 on Live 9 has a visualizer.

It's true that live EQ8 was not that good?

Before Andrew Simper from Cytomic was involved it was pretty basic sounding. Since then he has re-coded it and it is very very good sounding!

Loki Fuego · Post by **Loki Fuego** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:00 pm

V0RT3X wrote:Before Andrew Simper from Cytomic was involved it was pretty basic sounding. Since then he has re-coded it and it is very very good sounding!

The funny thing that Andrew Simper worked only on 48db hi- and low-pass filters. Everything else remains the same (except shelf scaling).
In fact EQ8 is transparent and easy to use. I rarely use any different EQ especially since EQ8 in Live 9 now have spectrum analyser.

Mister Natural · Post by **Mister Natural** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:03 pm

waltercruz wrote:. . . true that live EQ8 was not that good?

nope; it's very transparent with gentle 6db slopes.
I use it daily with great results

the new one in vers9 has steeper slopes and "better" sound

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:13 pm

Loki Fuego wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:Before Andrew Simper from Cytomic was involved it was pretty basic sounding. Since then he has re-coded it and it is very very good sounding!
The funny thing that Andrew Simper worked only on 48db hi- and low-pass filters. Everything else remains the same (except shelf scaling).
In fact EQ8 is transparent and easy to use. I rarely use any different EQ especially since EQ8 in Live 9 now have spectrum analyser.

Serious? Interesting, I thought maybe he coded the actual EQ too. Maybe it's the visualizer enhancements now that are helping me mix better with it that made me think it sounds better lol

xamido · Post by **xamido** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:49 pm

The answer is no in some cases. For the reverb i'm so used with VRoom that i find live reverb to be lacking, with that metallic sound (reminded me of my blofeld reverb).

waltercruz · Post by **waltercruz** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:29 pm

Just stumbled upon this interview:

https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/andrew- ... -eq-eight/

Tell us about the SVF filters you helped to design for EQ8 - what makes them sound better than the old filters? Were they modeled off of hardware filters?

This is a little tricky to answer in detail as it is actually really technical. The old filter algorithm is a digital abstraction that shares the same theoretical response as many circuits, but doesn't model the voltages of any circuit. The new algorithm is a linear SVF analog model based on the circuit of the Urei 545 parametric EQ. In a linear model no drive occurs, so if you put a single sine wave in you get just a sine wave back out again without any harmonics being added.

So in theory, given infinite precision numbers, and if you don't adjust any of the settings, both will sound identical. In practice computers don't have infinite precision and people tend to like adjusting the controls on their EQs!

The new linear SVF EQ algorithm in EQ8 has astounding noise properties that give the lowest noise possible for any given finite precision numbers computers use, and since it is an analog model you can also smoothly change all the settings without getting horrible pops and clicks.

In combination with the new frequency analyser the new SVF algorithm will make tuning in on which frequency you want to adjust much easier since the sound remains silky clean even when you are adjusting the settings. Once you have found the setting you want no unwanted noise will be added to your audio.

zeep · Post by **zeep** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:34 pm

People saying Live's Reverb is the weakest plugin should really stop parotting and try it out extensively! It is a great Reverb and can sound pretty high end, it has a lot of controls and factors to shape the sound plus works perfectly fine automated. No clicks zips or anything.

Back off of Live's Reverb, it is really that good.

Mister Natural · Post by **Mister Natural** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:57 pm

zeep wrote:People saying Live's Reverb is the weakest plugin should really stop parotting and try it out extensively! It is a great Reverb and can sound pretty high end, it has a lot of controls and factors to shape the sound plus works perfectly fine automated. No clicks zips or anything.

Back off of Live's Reverb, it is really that good.

Zeep - would you be so kind to share a couple of your presets with a brother . . . ?

Dangelis · Post by **Dangelis** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:33 am

Hi Tony,
Would you mind giving me an idea of the reverb setup for that Yamaha fx500
Soft focus sound?
Cheers,
Dan

zeep · Post by **zeep** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:03 pm

Mister Natural wrote:
zeep wrote:People saying Live's Reverb is the weakest plugin should really stop parotting and try it out extensively! It is a great Reverb and can sound pretty high end, it has a lot of controls and factors to shape the sound plus works perfectly fine automated. No clicks zips or anything.

Back off of Live's Reverb, it is really that good.
Zeep - would you be so kind to share a couple of your presets with a brother . . . ?

Since someone necroed this thread;
Dude i'm sorry i never saw your question

Synthbuilder · Post by **Synthbuilder** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:49 am

Dangelis wrote:Would you mind giving me an idea of the reverb setup for that Yamaha fx500
Soft focus sound?

Just saw this. I've uploaded a bundle of some of my Live effects racks here:

http://www.oakleysound.com/Live9_FX.zip

This includes emulations of the Yamaha FX500's Soft Focus and Chorused Echo presets. They're both designed to be used in an effect returns track so they're completely 'wet'.

Also included are some interesting experiments with vocal filters, based on the ones in the Roland VP-330. These are designed to process the output of a synth directly. They sound best when driven by a raw saw waveform and even better when sent through an ensemble effect like Valhalla's Ubermod.

Tony

faun2500 · Post by **faun2500** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:09 am

I think Ableton Sampler is very capable after you learn it.

Use Ableton's stock [processing] plugins or no?