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fluffy_little_something · Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:35 pm

We will see as unlike with the hardware one can play pads on the Bassline

Bass sounds with long release are somewhat rare I suppose.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:43 pm

I think i read that at least with diva, the cpu usage goes up with high resonance, so if you stay below 50% the cpu cost will be lower. Maybe you won't gain much by using another plugin apart from the hassle.

risome · Post by **risome** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:54 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:We will see as unlike with the hardware one can play pads on the Bassline
Bass sounds with long release are somewhat rare I suppose.

bring that on

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:36 pm

Teksonik wrote:
Ingonator wrote: How many people beyond some really talented sound designers like Howard and some others do use e.g. Zebra really beyond the usual subtractive synthesis?

How many people are really using the advanced features of Synthmaster like additive oscillators (for additive synthesis, not doing supersaws...), wavetable scanning, vector synthesis and 2d envelopes?
More than you would think....but if a simple Saw Osc and filter is enough to impress you then by all means keep using emulations of highly limited hardware from the 70's and 80's..........others are looking forward to the future of synthesis not to the past.......

you can produce 3 diff osc sounds at once in the 101. Up until now, i havent heard a single soft synth that sounds like it (or as good as it IMO) for bouncy bassline. TAL have done an amazing job, keeping the original flavour but also adding a few modern twists. A pleasure to work with too, he actually listens

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:08 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote: I agree with Ingo, I had thought just yesterday that I would love to see a Jupiter 8 emulation by TAL. Although I am moving away from software, I guess I would buy it even if it cost 200 dollars, because I am sure it would be fantastic. And I am sure I could get bass sounds out of the Jupiter 8 that could keep up with the SH 101's.

One of the biggest faults in my life was selling the Jupiter 8 when i had one. It even had MIDI, was freshly serviced and i only paid 2000 Euros for it...
I don't know what would have happened if i would still use it. MAybe i would rarely use plugins at all...

With current second hand prices a Jupiter 8 is so insanely expensive that i guess i will never own one again (and no, a Jupiter 6 or MKS-80 will not fully replace it)...

Based on this it is nice to have Arturia Jupiter 8 (sometimes with a little help from an EQ plugin) or some reprogrammed sounds on others synths like Lotuzia's bank for Oxium which are at least close even if they maybe not totally nail it.

I am still hoping that someone (Xavier, Patrick do you hear me?) will do a very faithful 1:1 emulation sometimes in the future.
A nice solution would also be if Urs would finally decide to use the Jupiter modules of Diva for a really proper emulation (with correct parameter ranges for example). Anyway with the current CPU use and Unison this could maybe kill most CPUs.

With it's awesome Chorus even with it's limitations the Juno-60 (and U-NO-LX too) could do some very beautiful pads that are close to the Jupiter and in some cases even better. When layering two instances of U-NO-LX (either in your DAW or in a modular environment like MUX) you could get some very nice 2 Osc sounds. A problem with some sounds (compared to the Jupiter) is the limitation to a single envelope.

Kriminal wrote: you can produce 3 diff osc sounds at once in the 101. Up until now, i havent heard a single soft synth that sounds like it (or as good as it IMO) for bouncy bassline. TAL have done an amazing job, keeping the original flavour but also adding a few modern twists. A pleasure to work with too, he actually listens

Of course i am also looking forward to Bassline-101 and am quite sure i will like it (as i liked the old Bassline plugin).

Ingo

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:15 pm

Once rumors of this started floating around, my desire to checkout Lush 101 completely subsided. I probably wouldn't have bought it anyway, but I didn't feel the need at all knowing we'd have a new TAL-101 on the way. Glad I did. At $40, this will be an insta-buy. That seems to be the perfect plugin price for me, where if it's a cool product, from a developer I trust, I feel comfortable buying, oftentimes without demoing.

Looking forward to this release...

Might need to checkout Mux again soon too.

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:09 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Once rumors of this started floating around, my desire to checkout Lush 101 completely subsided. I probably wouldn't have bought it anyway, but I didn't feel the need at all knowing we'd have a new TAL-101 on the way. Glad I did. At $40, this will be an insta-buy. That seems to be the perfect plugin price for me, where if it's a cool product, from a developer I trust, I feel comfortable buying, oftentimes without demoing.

Looking forward to this release...

Might need to checkout Mux again soon too.

Absolutely, I do like the raw sound of Lush-101 (and not just a bit, it's gorgeous), but I don't need all the layers and effects (granted, the extra env is a nice bonus). Looking forward to TAL's 101, we'll see if it holds its own against Lush.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:13 pm

Its nothing like it...the same as UNOX2 is nothing like Diva.

afreshcupofjoe · Post by **afreshcupofjoe** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:19 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote: If musicians were to compile a list of the 25 most important and widely used synths ever made, would the SH 101 be on it?

Yes, it most certainly would. It's an iconic synth that has been used on a huge number of famous records. It is still highly desirable, and many people would place it in their top 5, let alone 25.

Decagon · Post by **Decagon** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:20 am

BDeep wrote:With the step sequencer added, it's almost a MC-202, right? Wouldn't add much to make a separate MC-202 IMHO.

I know there's just minor differences between the 101 and 202. I have actually owned and used both machines. I still just want a proper MC-202 plugin dammit!

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:43 am

Decagon wrote:
BDeep wrote:With the step sequencer added, it's almost a MC-202, right? Wouldn't add much to make a separate MC-202 IMHO.

I know there's just minor differences between the 101 and 202. I have actually owned and used both machines. I still just want a proper MC-202 plugin dammit!

ok ok, fair enough! I can understand that, there are some synths I like to see emulated just because of fond memories to the real thing (the 101 being one of them).

NAD · Post by **NAD** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:47 am

fluffy_little_something wrote: If musicians were to compile a list of the 25 most important and widely used synths ever made, would the SH 101 be on it?

http://www.sonicstate.com/top20/
Number 19, apparently!

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:12 am

NAD wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote: If musicians were to compile a list of the 25 most important and widely used synths ever made, would the SH 101 be on it?
http://www.sonicstate.com/top20/
Number 19, apparently!

Mellotron and Proteus 1 in a Top 20 Greatest Synths list? None of them are synthesisers, actually. I'd rather see ProOne and TB-303 added - all of which are real synths which have left their mark on the music history.

Sorry OT.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:15 am

Kriminal wrote:
you can produce 3 diff osc sounds at once in the 101. Up until now, i havent heard a single soft synth that sounds like it (or as good as it IMO) for bouncy bassline. TAL have done an amazing job, keeping the original flavour but also adding a few modern twists. A pleasure to work with too, he actually listens

I found Strobe to be the closet match so far. Although, the parameters do not match those of a real Sh101, so it will be very useful to have an SH emu which gets the parameter ranges correct.

edited=rangers>ranges

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:26 am

himalaya wrote: parameter rangers

TAL BassLine-101