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emerable · Post by **emerable** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:02 am

Hey ya'll,

Could anyone tell me how to make this orchestra sound that pitches up? I don't need to know the specific sample library, I'm more interested in how they made this smooth sliding up sound:

0:39

1:04

I feel like this is a really simple orchestra expression that I haven't come across yet. You certainly can't get this sound by pitching up an orchestra manually, it's some type of glissando going up. Sounds like Madeon and Deadmau5 are using the same expression type.

Any ideas? Thanks

lofty · Post by **lofty** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:22 am

lofty · Post by **lofty** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:34 am

emerable · Post by **emerable** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:46 am

lofty wrote: [TEXT]

Interesting... I know the song and it could very well be that sample. But I'm not interested in sampling things, I'd much rather learn how to make it myself

Thanks though.

Daniez · Post by **Daniez** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:33 am

The sound I'm hearing sounds like what most producers call an orchestral hit. I'd suggest looking up some tutorials on youtube or through google, find one that sounds close to what you want and go from there. I wish I could be a bit more helpful but I've never made one myself. Hope that helps.

Loki Fuego · Post by **Loki Fuego** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:10 am

emerable wrote:Interesting... I know the song and it could very well be that sample. But I'm not interested in sampling things, I'd much rather learn how to make it myself Thanks though.

I think this can't be emulated in software yet:

lofty wrote:They tried and tried to nail it, and finally, they took a break, during which time the lads stepped out for some 'herbal jazz' cigarettes. They got back to the studio before George Martin, and started to loosen up and joke around with the other players. Some versions suggest that a few of these symphonic players actually went out on the break with the lads, and others still say that the smoking occurred in the studio. It was an evening session, and there were other stimulants about, including alcohol.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:38 pm

The two youtube examples sound very much like the Fairlight "orchestra hit" staple sample, used excessively in the late eighties.
To make or recreate it, you need a 40-piece symphonic orchestra, a big recording room for three days, and ofcourse the original Fairlight CMI.

Or you listen to a lot of classical music and cut out the right section.

emerable · Post by **emerable** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:14 am

BertKoor wrote:The two youtube examples sound very much like the Fairlight "orchestra hit" staple sample, used excessively in the late eighties.
To make or recreate it, you need a 40-piece symphonic orchestra, a big recording room for three days, and ofcourse the original Fairlight CMI.

Or you listen to a lot of classical music and cut out the right section.

I don't buy that at all. Any sound can be replicated, especially with all the tools at hasnd today.

All that's really happening is an orchestra ensemble is sliding up, nothing that complicated. It should be doable with the Kontakt factory library I'm sure but I haven't found a solution yet.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:25 pm

Sorry, I don't hear any fancy sliding up or anything. Bert is exactly right. It might be another orchestra hit, it may be from the Fairlight. It's a simple sampled orchestra hit. You can find them free on the net. I have several in my libraries, although TBH I can't remember where I got them all from. Computer Music certainly has some free hits in its collection, can't say from which issue though.

It really is not anything new or fancy. They've been used from early 90s onwards. It's a sample. It's not anything complicated. If you hear any pitching up, it's from underlying stuff - the Madeon example had all kind of other stuff pitching up underneath, but at the end it's a plain and simple orchestra hit. Really. Definitely. Absolutely. Don't believe us, and make yourself lots of work if you want. It's however, far easier to just surf around for an orchestra hit and load it into your sampler. Some orchestra hits will have brass etc doing a pitching up parp, especially things like trombones and likely the woodwind section, but much of the idea of it pitching up is simply the whole orchestra playing a whole set of notes. You can get different key orchestra hits, of course, because they generally play a certain key when they do the hit. But to a fair degree you can tune it to fit whatever key you're in.

www.sf2midi.com

I'd be surprised if there aren't a few orchestra hits in there.

Computer Music.

FM even might have some hits from past issues.

Any halfway decent sample CD

Don't overcomplicate it. It IS an orchestra hit just playing a load of notes at the same time. (You're right in that you don't need a whole orchestra - that's why sampling is so good). But to recreate a whole orchestra hit by individual samples? Yeah, you can do it, but you aren't going to get anything close even in a whole day. SOme things just aren't worth doing. You have 40 plus individual notes, all the volumes to get right, all the subtle nuances of real instrument timbres to get right, the reverb to get right, because it will have been sampled in a specific symphonic hall. It's a mind-numbingly not-needed piece of work just to get you a sample, which is exactly what Madeon and Mousey used. Believe us, they DID NOT sit for days making their own orchestra hits. No way.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:58 am

like said before: this is an orchestra hit/stab whatever you can find in old romplers from the 90's. i would check korg m1 vst or the free fairlight CMI IIx lib for kontakt here @ kvr or simply search for orchestra hit/stab .wav on inet.

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:13 am

There's a few in Proteus VX, which is free.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:54 pm

Aye...I vaguely remember a few of the Proteuses (Protei?) had hits on them. There a a few sets of Proteus base samples at www.sf2midi.com (although I'm not sure that sort of thing is actually legal...?)

I can't swear it, but didn't the M1 have an orchestra hit too? Or at least on one of the cards? Which should now be available with their plugin (which is pretty cheap).

And if it's too difficult to find a hit, as Bert mentioned, it's quite a good option to sample from a classical CD - plenty of symphonies end with a hit. I never heard of anyone getting punished for sampling that kind of thing - it's probably perfectly legal as an end hit is not considered an integral part of the tune/recording...I should know - my missus tortures me with classical music often enough.

emerable · Post by **emerable** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:36 pm

kritikon wrote:Aye...I vaguely remember a few of the Proteuses (Protei?) had hits on them. There a a few sets of Proteus base samples at www.sf2midi.com (although I'm not sure that sort of thing is actually legal...?)

I can't swear it, but didn't the M1 have an orchestra hit too? Or at least on one of the cards? Which should now be available with their plugin (which is pretty cheap).

And if it's too difficult to find a hit, as Bert mentioned, it's quite a good option to sample from a classical CD - plenty of symphonies end with a hit. I never heard of anyone getting punished for sampling that kind of thing - it's probably perfectly legal as an end hit is not considered an integral part of the tune/recording...I should know - my missus tortures me with classical music often enough.

Yea I get what everyone's saying, sampling is definitely the best option for this. To be honest I'm surprised there's isn't some kontakt articulation for this sound already.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:46 pm

He did buy a Fairlight recently:
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2013/02/ ... light-cmi/

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:10 pm

Kore soundpack Urban Atsenal 2 has some nice orchestral hits.

THIS orchestra sound that slides up (Deadmau5, Madeon)