KVR Audio

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:42 pm

Burillo wrote:I would say it's both.

+1.

Sadkin, I think you've discovered the downside to categorizing plugins by type. Sometimes, a plugin is more than one thing (Example: Valhalla Ubermod - is it a delay or a modulation plugin). I learned to just categorize things by vendor to get around this. So this goes in the Klanghelm folder.

Phase47 · Post by **Phase47** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:32 pm

Must say, the more I use this, the better it gets. Top quality and I love that it can do "subtle" - just like the Klanghelm compressors, it get's the better the better you get with it.

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:23 am

Compyfox wrote: So if there is an FL user in here, that does NOT have the mentioned issues - please speak up!

Sorry, I've been away from KVR for a week or longer. Personal crisis stuff. My humble apologies for not speaking up sooner. I be speaking up now:

My Win7 SP1 64bit rig running FL Studio does NOT have any issues with any of the plugins on the blacklist. Nor does Reaper, T4, Studio One. Using an ATI 7770 which solved a bunch of graphics issues with my old nVidia 240GT.

I've been running Tony's DC8C blissfully unaware of these terrible side effects. Other than the hair loss, but that's normal, right?

paterpeter · Post by **paterpeter** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:46 am

I can reproducibly crash FL Studio 11 with IVGI or DC8C.

- If I only add a Klanghelm plugin to a mixer track, I can show and hide the plugin without a problem
- If I add an Parametric EQ 2 and have that open, FL Studio crashes as soon as I hide, show, hide and show the Klanghelm plugin.

See here: http://screencast.com/t/2HhVrJ8Et17

Intel Core i7 2600K
16 GB RAM
Native Instruments Traktor Audio 2, latest driver, 44.1kHz, 96 samples buffer
Windows 8 Pro x64
FL Studio 11.0.2

It turns out that Kirnu Cream also crashes FL Studio in the same way. Maybe it's a bug in FLS. I already notified IL about it.

audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:28 pm

Finally, someone else can reproduce it

Can you try something Peter? I would like to know if you can crash it without loading any other plugin...

Please try tweaking a control between opening and closing the GUI; it should crash without loading another plugin. It will be even more unstable if playback is initiated (at least it is here).

Thanks man. I was getting worried there was something wrong with my system, which has different specs than yours (finally can rule AMD chip out)

edit: btw, kirnu cream is apparently also an IPlug product, which supports my claim this is a problem with IPlug (& FL Studio?)...

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:40 pm

Audiosabre, during my long years of maintaining audio computers it was never the CPU that was the culprit. Never. I myself am a very happy user of an AMD Phenom II "rig".

It's usually something that the user installed without my knowledge.

Then buggy apps and plugins, or lack of proper Visual C++ runtimes [in Windows], buggy VGA or other drivers, and stuff that users can screw up accidentally by installing something bad or just wrong. There are many programs who behave like the OS is all theirs to screw it up. That's why I install so many apps and plugins manually, without using the "install", if I can, and I prefer plugins who can be installed that way. You just have to keep it all under tight control to make your DAW work without any problems.

audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:21 pm

Yeah, I doubted it myself. Objectively, I couldn't rule it out; I was the only person with the issue, and I just happened to be the only one using AMD.

I first reported this bug to Sonimus on 27 Aug 2011, and they, like every dev since, has not been able to reproduce. This is literally the first time I've seen it reproduced in almost 2 years

It's real

paterpeter · Post by **paterpeter** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:32 pm

audiosabre wrote:Please try tweaking a control between opening and closing the GUI; it should crash without loading another plugin. It will be even more unstable if playback is initiated (at least it is here).

Hm, no, sorry, that doesn't cause a crash here. Mind you, I've installed the latest shared libraries and wrapper in the meantime, so I can't say if this particular scenario was somehow addresses by those updated.

The updates did *not* help with the problem I describe in my post above, though.
BTW, it doesn't matter if the second open plugin is a native FLS plugin (such as PEQ2) or another VST (such as IVGI, DC8C or Cream). When multiple windows are open, the Kirnu or Klanghelm plugins cause a crash when I close and open them.

BTW: if I use the 64 bit version of the Klanghelm/Kirnu plugins, I don't get crashes, but the UIs don't draw correctly.

audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:42 pm

Thanks Peter. The situation you describe also aligns with the issue with Satson I reported all that time ago (see here). Now I can rule out the control tweaking, and simplify it to how you described it

I will also try the 64-bit versions and report back...

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:52 pm

I have no problems using JUCE framework GUI based plugins [knocking on wood?

].

I use Reaper, Energy XT1, on Windows XP SP3. Actually, plugins that use JUCE work really nice and smooth here.

Tokyo Dawn Labs compressors are also compiled with JUICE GUI framework. They work smoothly.

Just to report my findings.

paterpeter · Post by **paterpeter** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:18 pm

DuX wrote:I have no problems using JUCE framework GUI based plugins [knocking on wood? ].

I use Reaper, Energy XT1, on Windows XP SP3. Actually, plugins that use JUCE work really nice and smooth here.

Tokyo Dawn Labs compressors are also compiled with JUICE GUI framework. They work smoothly.

Just to report my findings.

TDR Feedback Compressor I + II work fine in FL Studio as far as I have tested.

I'm not an expert in plugin development, but JUCE and IPlugin are not related, right? Aren't the u-he plugins based on JUCE, too? Never had a problem with those.

audiosabre wrote:The situation you describe also aligns with the issue with Satson I reported all that time ago (see here).

Yes, seems identical.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:22 pm

u-he isn't using JUCE - they have their own framework.

paterpeter · Post by **paterpeter** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:23 pm

EvilDragon wrote:u-he isn't using JUCE - they have their own framework.

Thanks, I should have known better

tonhelm · Post by **tonhelm** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:13 am

I went back and forth with Johnny regarding this issue. I thought we've discussed all this a few pages back ad nauseam. If I were you and really interested in fixing this (whatever it is), I'd contact the dev directly (IL and me) to investigate it further again - together.
I've actually started this thread for a plugin I give away for free. Speculating about framework issues of JUCE and iPlug related plugins in FL Studio, that until now only 2 (!) users are experiencing might be feel better at home in a) a different thread or b) in a FLS forum.

just my 2c

So how's everyone liking IVGI?

Tony

Endor-8o8 · Post by **Endor-8o8** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:28 am

tonhelm wrote:So how's everyone liking IVGI?

Tony

So far so good Tony !

Like with the DC8C, there's a special vibe with the IVGI. I'm really
eager to have the big bro !
Can you tell me more about what the crosstalk brings to the unit, I have a really shallow knowledge about that. I have no very good audio system so maybe I'm missing the effect because of my headphones (Beyer DT-770) or speakers (M-Audio LX4). This is the only "occult" parameter of the IVGI to me...
Sorry if it's a stupid question !

Klanghelm IVGI released: new free saturation and distortion plugin for Win and OSX