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asnor wrote:The problem is, if they don't do this, you could buy Cubase from a country with a weaker currency, importing it cheap, and undercut Steinberg in Europe,which may severely effect their bottom line.

So, like I said, they could simply charge everyone the EU rate, or they can GEO tag the software so that they can stay competitive globally without having people importing and undercutting them at home.
They could also simply just charge the US prices.

Just as you wrote, limiting buying options to customers result in smaller sales. We've got a global pseudo-free market. Thanks to services like Paypal, Ebay and international delivery companies, you can buy anything from anyone easily and quickly. If that means the 3rd of sales for European customers comes from outside the EU, that will mean that Steinberg doesn't need 3rd of the current European distribution network and could limit it, which would result in less spending and more income, because at lower prices more people could afford it.

I believe Steinberg does get more or less the same money from selling a single unit of the software in Europe and the US, but in Europe you have to pay Value Added Tax and the costs of doing business are higher, which results in higher prices.
Steinberg forces EU customers to support the socialist policies of Europe instead of worrying about it's income, which should be it's primary concern.
I think there are ways to fake your IP in your OS's anyway.

Cubase 6 with an upgrade to 7 + Halion 4 costs 369$, which is around 1225 złotys and is on average 1,5 week pay in Poland.

Full Cubase 7 costs 2450 złotys in Poland (around 737$), which is an average 3 week pay. Thanks, but no thanks.

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zyguli wrote: This is beyond silly. What's the point of this? Why does Steinberg care where do the customers buy and activate the product?
You mean besides legal reasons?
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What reasons? How would Steinberg break the law If a customer from Europe ordered the software from the US? I haven't heard about an regulation that forces software developers to implement geo-tagging into their software.

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zyguli wrote:What reasons? How would Steinberg break the law If a customer from Europe ordered the software from the US? I haven't heard about an regulation that forces software developers to implement geo-tagging into their software.
Just if you are trying to skirt VAT or import duties. A lot of specials and bundles that are put together are very difficult to work out across price/value declarations between countries. I'm in a different industry, but we have that problem too.
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Yes, but when a EU customer orders Cubase from the US, it is he who's responsible for paying VAT and import duties, not Steinberg, so Steinberg has no interest in making sure nobody from the EU is buying their product in the US. It's none of their business, and by that I mean neither they have to control it nor they should.

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zyguli wrote:Yes, but when a EU customer orders Cubase from the US, it is he who's responsible for paying VAT and import duties, not Steinberg, so Steinberg has no interest in making sure nobody from the EU is buying their product in the US. It's none of their business, and by that I mean neither they have to control it nor they should.
That's mirror of what i was thinking.

Actually i think i'll just bite the bullet. It does seems worth to risk..i am going to get Halion 4 AND Cubase 7 for the price which is lower then Cubase 7 alone in some EU stores..Really weird..I even found a deal where i am getting C7, Halion 4 and Steinberg Audio interface for lower price then C7 in EU. now if that isn't weird i don't know what is :?

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zyguli wrote:Yes, but when a EU customer orders Cubase from the US, it is he who's responsible for paying VAT and import duties, not Steinberg, so Steinberg has no interest in making sure nobody from the EU is buying their product in the US. It's none of their business, and by that I mean neither they have to control it nor they should.
Actually this is exactly the problem, someone eventually has to report the ACTUAL value of the bundle to all the governments involved. It is easier and economical in some countries, not so much between others ... even between Euro partners.
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It's still not Steinberg's concern. You could always ask some relatives in the US to buy the software and bring the activation info with them when they go for the holidays to the EU. But here comes the geotagging which forbids activating Cubase outside of the US. That's pure nonsense.

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zyguli wrote:It's still not Steinberg's concern. You could always ask some relatives in the US to buy the software and bring the activation info with them when they go for the holidays to the EU. But here comes the geotagging which forbids activating Cubase outside of the US. That's pure nonsense.
That's because you are trying to wiggle around the import value of the product based on it's declare import value in your region. This is exactly the scenario that the EU and other countries are trying to eliminate.
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I don't care about EU and it's policy. We're discussing Steinberg's policy here and Steinberg is a private company which isn't and shouldn't be involved in politics.

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zyguli wrote:I don't care about EU and it's policy. We're discussing Steinberg's policy here and Steinberg is a private company which isn't and shouldn't be involved in politics.
Steinberg is following international business practices. They do business that is supported by federal trade agreements between countries. It is ALL about politics.
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This doesn't make sense. Which other software has got geotagging? Ableton Live, Studio One? Steinberg chose to implement it, there is no law requiring it.

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zyguli wrote:This doesn't make sense. Which other software has got geotagging? Ableton Live, Studio One? Steinberg chose to implement it, there is no law requiring it.
You're an international trade lawyer?
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No, are you?

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zyguli wrote:No, are you?
No, but I work with them on a regular basis dealing with exactly this problem of bundling and discounts across trade borders. It's far uglier than you can imagine. Also, there is a huge difference between trade law and trade agreements and a bunch of other less tangible/identifiable policies and guidelines. Some companies deal with it by pretending they don't exist, other companies have specific reasons why they comply with some and not others. Your assumption that it is none of Steinberg's business who buys their software where is a very false assumption.
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