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tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:56 pm

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

In my playing experience of both Korean and American Brand guitars manufactured in China and Indonesia. I've found both equally inferior. YMMV

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:59 pm

Peevy2000 wrote:
Dean Aka Nekro wrote:Tomorrow is Ibanez time again, It is a model they have or are discontinuing so its going for a song, The newest version of the RGD320Z. Looks like this:
It's a 6-string with a 26.5" scale-length. I couldn't and wouldn't miss out on one for £269!!!

The pickups it comes with are the only place I may end up spending money. First thing to go will be the weak, thin gauge strings for some with something to dig into

I'm excited about this one
NICE!

HNGD enjoy!

Cheers and well played on adding to your own collection Peevy2000. Thanks to everyone else for the kind words

So first impressions are good, I'm loving having the extra inch on an otherwise normal six string. As I didn't buy it from my local it just came with some fairy gauge strings on it but even so the Ibanez CAP-VK1/VK2 humbuckers sound good, So once its got a proper set on it and I've run it through the various rigs I'll know for sure. So putting aside the thin gauge it arrived with I can't find any faults

Course I'll use it on the next track or idea I have, So will definitely post it

All the best to everyone as always

Dean

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:00 pm

trimph1 wrote:http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php

true temperament...wha'd ya do wit' your frets?

That is quite interesting to look at from a theoretical perspective.

The shape of those frets shows how problematic the G is.

The other strings don't look any where near as bad.

I wonder how a F# would plot.

Odd they didn't also combine a compensated nut,

or is there still an active patent on that.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:16 pm

Despite my ibby gas I had, the japanese ibby I have totally SPANKS my indos. I had the twins (I still have one) and they are japocheapies (they used a ton of low end parts and were price accordingly ) and they are nothing like my blue. Not even close.

My japan charvel was really high quality. I'd never have sold that if it wasn't for how difficult it was to play the higher frets.

The USA fender is just insane. I can't believe how well it's put together. The frets are beyond belief. I've got the action down to 1mm first string and there is one fret the peters out if bent page style.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:24 pm

tapper mike wrote:We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

In my playing experience of both Korean and American Brand guitars manufactured in China and Indonesia. I've found both equally inferior. YMMV

but you have already made it clear that you are biased toward "good brands"...reread what I wrote...if you didn't know what you're playing I wonder if you would feel the same way. I never said any place of manufacture is better or worse than any other...I just said what my priorities are. Country of origin has little importance to me, you cant hear that and besides quite often I change pups or add a pre anyhow or even more drastic changes (not the ibby though, it still sits exactly as it was the first time I played it after putting my strings on it).

My first ESP/LTD was Korean and around 300 dollars, I brought it home and that day swapped out the pups and puut in EMGs with a PA-2...plays well and now I have swapped out those pups with a couple of duncans, a megaswitch and it still has the PA-2 (but I did put an 80's FR in place of the licensed FR)

My second ESP/LTD is indo, was 649 dollars when I bought it, I added a PA-2, I added a 9/18v option, it came with EMGS (81 and 85 but I bought an EMG60 from hibidy and that's in the neck now), it has a true neck-through, sounds and plays like a dream.

Do I like one over the other? Well it depends on what I'm doing as each is tuned different but it has nothing to do with the quality or origin of the guitars

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:48 pm

hibidy wrote:Ok, well, since you are the expert, how are they now? Seems like a ton of coin for a Chinese guitar considering the rap. Then again, I've bought a couple of "over priced" indo ibbys so.......

Guitars from China range drastically in quality. A Chinese Suhr Rasmus is one of the best guitars you'll ever play and I've played some others where the fretwork felt like 40 grit sandpaper. I promise you that Suhr paid extra to get that level of quality, plus they had Ed Yoon over there personally overseeing the whole thing.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:53 pm

hibidy wrote:Despite my ibby gas I had, the japanese ibby I have totally SPANKS my indos.

My Japanese blue 3120 spanks my Japanese natural 3120, my Japanese mid-90's RG550, and my gorgeous Japanese RG3620Z. Sometimes there's one that just stands apart from the rest.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:27 pm

Rasmus's are HARD to come by. I the ones I'd be interested in are NEVER in stock. Please don't tell me you have a bunch in stock, may wallet can't take it

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:59 pm

@Hink My response was directed at E who stated...

Korean and Japanese companies tend to get better quality products out of China than American companies do.

Of which others may have had different experiences. But my experiences guided me to my prior assertion.

Who seems to be beside himself

A Chinese Suhr Rasmus is one of the best guitars you'll ever play.

As well...I have a Hondo for god sake one can't be an elitist and have a Hondo guitar... or a magnum.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:02 am

hibidy wrote:Rasmus's are HARD to come by. I the ones I'd be interested in are NEVER in stock. Please don't tell me you have a bunch in stock, may wallet can't take it

No one has a bunch in stock. They're discontinued.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:06 am

tapper mike wrote:@Hink My response was directed at E who stated...

Korean and Japanese companies tend to get better quality products out of China than American companies do.
Of which others may have had different experiences. But my experiences guided me to my prior assertion.

Who seems to be beside himself
A Chinese Suhr Rasmus is one of the best guitars you'll ever play.

Indeed! I'll be straightforward about it and say that Fender doesn't get good guitars out of Chinese factories. That doesn't mean they never will, it just isn't happening these days.

And Ed Yoon was the one who got the Rasmus's to the level they were at. If he weren't involved, I think it would have been a very different story today.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:27 am

Uncle E wrote:
hibidy wrote:Rasmus's are HARD to come by. I the ones I'd be interested in are NEVER in stock. Please don't tell me you have a bunch in stock, may wallet can't take it
No one has a bunch in stock. They're discontinued.

Oh,

well I didn't know. Ok, well scratch that.

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:33 am

E,

You've expressed your point well, I've been slow on the uptake. Basically you are saying it takes a Machiavellian presence to get the higher standard.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:16 am

I'm so excited, I get to join this thread in earnest.

Ok, so here's the scoop, I like teles, full stop. By that, I mean the style, not necessarily the brand. I have wanted a nashville style tele for some time now and have been debating how to go. I basically hate the look of all of the fender nashville teles as they choose boring colors. And really, when I say that I like teles, I mean that I like the bridge pickup and the body shape/style. I actually prefer strat style switching.

Today I picked up a cheap parts-caster squire. It's nothing to write home about, but I like the neck. It's a vintage squire maple neck and it has a little fatness to it like the early eighties tele that I sold long ago. I've been eyeing the xavier guitars, but, except for their new style neck, I hate their neck design, but, I really like the color choices.

So, my solution, I'm going to buy one of their bodies, route it for the middle pickup and use the guitar I picked up today along with some other parts, to build the guitar that I want.

I have an american standard bridge which I plan to put on. I really don't like vintage tele bridges at all. I've chosen the pickguard:

And I'm trying to decide between the orange and yellow bodies, or, perhaps something else?

I prefer the orange as a color, but I think that the yellow will pop more against the pickguard.

I get that this is way too obnoxious for many of you, but it has my name ALL over it.

To start with, I'll probably just put in pickups that I already have, but, that said, any suggestions?

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:17 am

Uncle E wrote: I'll be straightforward about it and say that Fender doesn't get good guitars out of Chinese factories. That doesn't mean they never will, it just isn't happening these days.

There might be a few exceptions to that. I have a Fender Squire Strat body here made in China and I would not trade it for any amount of money. I love the tone of the wood too much. I actually enjoy the tone so much I quite often find I have been playing it for a few hours without even plugging it in.

It is however the only part I have kept. The rest of the guitar was about what I would expect for the price which would be good enough for a beginner, which was about equivalent to $180 u.s dollars. The only real part that qualified as z-grade was the bridge. It did not intonate correctly.

Maybe I scored a good one, but then wood is wood I guess. Its slightly heavier than the wood on a American Strat.

Your next guitar?