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Ingonator wrote: About Synth Brasses: I have a quite long experience (you could call it "obsession") with this kind of sounds. They are not easy to do on a 1 Osc synth (while the SH-101 is not exactly a 1 osc synth...) and the free TAL Chorus could be helpful.
oh really?
adding chorus to a brass patch is hardly an "expert sound designer" secret.
musicians and producers have been doing it for over 30 years.
especially in the case of a 1osc synth, where pwm is all there is to mimic some detuned oscillators, chorus is obviously extra helpful.
infact it was integral part of the jun6o brass sound . a similar 1osc structure to the sh-101 but no individual volume for the individual shapes. in other words the sh-101 with the juno corus added (the Lx chorus) is even better than the juno itself for brass as you can control the amount of each individual waveform.

I am not a "sound designer" yet I have have no issues making brasses with bassline101, how come?
5 minutes for a basic pop poly synthbrass
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/503 ... ybrass.wav
and no i've not looked at any of your patches . i can't even load them as i've not bought the synth yet.


you may convince a newbie that making a synthbrass is something difficult and special but everyone with a clue will know it's BS.
the synthbrass was actually the first sound anyone buying a synth would make, the synthbrass was the supersaw of the 1980s.
even the crappiest and less tech savvy 80s italo-disco bands could belt out synthbrasses hooks on their junos .
even guitarists could make synthbrasses....that's the final prrof right there that there's nothing difficult to it. and no not even on 1 osc synth (as long as it provides all shapes).
actually on an old 3osc analog tuning the unstable sawtooths manually was actually more tricky and time consuming, although always better sounding in the end(although the cheesy juno pwm/chorus brass will always have it's niche).
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Kriminal wrote:People really want patches for this? :-o
is the N word allowed on this forum?
i though there was even a forum section for them...

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Kriminal wrote:People really want patches for this? :-o
SH-101 is meant to be tweaked live with Arp / Sequencer running something like 303 knobs. TAL-Uno-LX is more suited for patch banks.

A basic video tutorial will probably more beneficial. Because TAL Bassline-101 gives you every SH-101 feature, you can benefit from existing resources meant for SH-101 Hardware users such as this.
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Ingonator wrote:I got enough self-confidence
Wow.....there's the understatement of the year.......or decade.....:lol:
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I never quite understood why those pseudo-brass sounds were popular to begin with. They don't sound anything like real brass. Olikana's example above is certainly better than most of those trashy DX7 brass sounds, but still far from real brass, which I love a lot by the way as I grew up listening to the early Earth, Wind & Fire, Kool and the Gang, etc., who used to have famous horn sections.

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Yes, the Poly mode makes it possible to create varied patch banks and running TAL-Bassline 101 into FX like the TAL Chorus is a great way to extend the sonic options. I usually disable internal FX on synths and do it that way.
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I made some patches yesterday for my own use but thought I'd share them.

I think it's 22 of them in there.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/918 ... atches.zip

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Ingonator wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:I never quite understood why those pseudo-brass sounds were popular to begin with. They don't sound anything like real brass. Olikana's example above is certainly better than most of those trashy DX7 brass sounds, but still far from real brass, which I love a lot by the way as I grew up listening to Earth, Wind & Fire etc., who used to have famous horn sections.
When i was in school i played a real trumpet for some years. Anyway today i prefer synthetic Brass sounds. I don't care if those mimic a real instrument properly or not.

If i want "real" sounds i either use Kontakt or my Motif ES 7 (with many 3rd pary soundbanks + samples).

Programming e.g. synthetic Pianos or Organs is fun too and sometimes the result is more interesting than the real deal.

Why do so many people use synthetic drums instead of sample from real ones?


Ingo
Well, it is a challenge to program authentic instruments on a synth. Sure, I could simply use samples, but that is a bit cheap. I am simply proud when I have achieved an authentic sax or electric bass sound on a synth...

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Ingonator wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote: Well, it is a challenge to program authentic instruments on a synth. Sure, I could simply use samples, but that is a bit cheap. I am simply proud when I have achieved an authentic sax or electric bass etc. on a synth...
Same i have tried with some of my patches for BassLine-101 or others synths.
I especially like to do synthetic Piano sounds.

This does not mean that e.g. synthetic sounding Brass sounds don't have their use.


Ingo
Sure, they can be useful. I like Oberheim Brass sounds the most. Sorry Roland :D

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Ingonator wrote: ...... I don't care what a synth is built for. When i do patches i just care what the synth is capable of.....

Ingo
This is also my understanding that as synthesizer is intended to be played by musicians, and therefore should follow them in any directions they can take. Same applies to Sound Design as I see it, as Sound Designers only design patches they think could be usefull for musicians, themselves, or both.

So different directions are indeed possible. Electro finds that a SH-101 in this software incarnation is mostly suitable for sequences tweaking, and that is for sure a possible direction. My own -real- SH-101 never saw a sequence however, and is just there to play monolines, basses or leads for example, or occasionnaly an Fx or an analog kick. But to each his own, any direction is OK, as far as it serves music and musos. All musics, all musos.

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