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Synthbuilder wrote:The SH-101 and Juno-6 filter are not the same. They both use the IR3109 in cascade mode, but the resonance and signal pathways are different.

The Juno uses a VCA in the feedback path, so to allow voltage control over the resonance. This is needed since it has multiple voices and one common resonance control. The SH-101 uses a slider pot and a simple buffer circuit with a diode clipper. The Juno's VCA will also act as a clipper but will present a different type of waveform shaping to the simple diodes.

Furthermore the Juno increases the signal level into the filter at higher resonances to maintain overall volume. While the SH-101 increases the signal to the final VCA at higher resonances. In a linear filter and VCA system this wouldn't make a great deal of difference, but the IR3109 filter and BA662 VCA are non linear components so differing signal levels have an impact on the sound of the system.

Tony
Interesting stuff there Tony. This would explain the slightly different sounds of both machines even though they use the same filters.

I guess the VCA's were also a requirement due to programmability.

From memory, I always felt the my SH101 could bite a little more then my Juno 106. Although I tended to use both machines for totally different tasks.

OT. I hope Tal is working on a Jupiter clone now.

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cyberheater wrote:OT. I hope Tal is working on a Jupiter clone now.
That is most likely going to boil down to him gaining access to a real unit which is very hard to come by these days.
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Wish he'd do a proper SEM, along with a JP-8.

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electro wrote:
cyberheater wrote:OT. I hope Tal is working on a Jupiter clone now.
That is most likely going to boil down to him gaining access to a real unit which is very hard to come by these days.
I'd lend him mine.


...If I had one :(

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electro wrote:
cyberheater wrote:OT. I hope Tal is working on a Jupiter clone now.
That is most likely going to boil down to him gaining access to a real unit which is very hard to come by these days.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roland-Jupiter- ... 5333729%26

Maybe once he has sold about 200+ Bass Line licenses... :hihi:

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its a real shame everyone seems to be banging on about what they want next rather than concentrating on the excellent job he has done already....still, this is KvR. Im sure the same ppl wont be happy even if he makes what they ask for :roll:

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Kriminal wrote:its a real shame everyone seems to be banging on about what they want next rather than concentrating on the excellent job he has done already....still, this is KvR. Im sure the same ppl wont be happy even if he makes what they ask for :roll:
That's a bit unfair, most people in this thread have already bought it, what more can he ask for?
I guess people say they would like Patrick to do a Jupiter 8 emulation because many are still waiting for that one perfect general-purpose vintage analog emulation without any drawbacks. And if there is someone who can pull it off, it is Patrick. So it is more of a compliment than a complaint :)

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fluffy_little_something wrote:
Kriminal wrote:its a real shame everyone seems to be banging on about what they want next rather than concentrating on the excellent job he has done already....still, this is KvR. Im sure the same ppl wont be happy even if he makes what they ask for :roll:
That's a bit unfair, most people in this thread have already bought it, what more can he ask for?
I guess people say they would like Patrick to do a Jupiter 8 emulation because many are still waiting for that one perfect general-purpose vintage analog emulation without any drawbacks. And if there is someone who can pull it off, it is Patrick. So it is more of a compliment than a complaint :)
Yep. That's what I thought. In TAL we trust.

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EvilDragon wrote:Wish he'd do a proper SEM, along with a JP-8.
Arturia has been known for rolling out substantial instrument revisions and their SEM sounds pretty good already. U-he has the Jupiter 6 modelled partially inside DIVA.
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electro wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:Wish he'd do a proper SEM, along with a JP-8.
Arturia has been known for rolling out substantial instrument revisions and their SEM sounds pretty good already. U-he has the Jupiter 6 modelled partially inside DIVA.
I don't like Arturia as a company, and JP-6 is not the same as JP-8.

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Is that the corner where you spend half your life, Ingo? :)
Was that the original keyboard? The keys are strikingly white, like brand new.
And a Boss 770 drum machine :D

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EvilDragon wrote:
electro wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:Wish he'd do a proper SEM, along with a JP-8.
Arturia has been known for rolling out substantial instrument revisions and their SEM sounds pretty good already. U-he has the Jupiter 6 modelled partially inside DIVA.
I don't like Arturia as a company, and JP-6 is not the same as JP-8.
You can also get some excellent Oberheim SEM like tones and Sync out of Sonic Projects OP-X Pro. I often use it to complement TAL-Uno-LX
http://sonicprojects.ch/obx/welcome.html
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Yep, I know, I have it, I like it for what it is (an OB-X emu). Still not quite like the SEM. :)

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