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robojam wrote:
jens wrote:4) eXT 1.x was coded in Delphi. Development was very fast. XT2 has been coded in C++ development has been and still is very slow. This was Jorgen's own choice.
I don't know if that's the reason why development was so slow. In a previous life I programmed in both languages, and can't think of any reason why moving from Delphi to C++ would slow development by the magnitude that we saw it slow.

I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that Jorgen has no interest. His lack of engagement with anyone who is still enthusiastic about eXT speaks volumes to me.

At the beginning Jorgen was very enthusiastic. The very first alphas of XT2 were extremely feature-bare. But at this time Jorgen said he had already coded many many lines of code for many many features and he just needed to implement them - which then took ages if it happened at all. And I think that under certain circumstances it might be more difficult in C++ - to get it all together - integrating functions and adding user-interface access to them.

Why are Delphi-coded applications often so deep? Jon of CoFX managed the switch fairly well - but maybe his toolkit/private IDE was much more mature than the one Jorgen used. I know he had a brilliant one in Delphi.

Mind you: I have no clue about coding at all - but I know coding speed depends greatly on how quickly you can add often used functions and looking at the inconsistencies in XT2, it seems Jorgen doesn't really have a system for it. He neither had it in Delphi, I guess, but maybe Delphi makes it easier for chaotic coders to quickly throw in some stuff here and there.

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Maybe he put together a family. Busy with kids? :shrug: :?:
ABEFLGMOPPRRST :phones:

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jens wrote:maybe Delphi makes it easier for chaotic coders to quickly throw in some stuff here and there.
Well the biggest problem with Delphi is that is has been declining in use for years. It is an easier language to learn that C++, but it is not as capable of universal programming as C++ and is more difficult to port between various operating systems.

It might take longer to write code in C++, but not to the extent that it can in any way be responsible for the extent of the slow down in eXT development.

While it might be a language that some like to code in, it's certainly not something that's likely to have a resurgence in popularity. The decision to move to C++ was a good one and if Jorgan was forward looking at the time, he probably saw the writing on the wall for Delphi.

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liquidsound wrote:Maybe he put together a family. Busy with kids? :shrug: :?:
+1
Exactly my thoughts.
For some people business is not necessarily the most essential part of life.

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ZonderP wrote:
liquidsound wrote:Maybe he put together a family. Busy with kids? :shrug: :?:
+1
Exactly my thoughts.
For some people business is not necessarily the most essential part of life.
True, but the zero communication burns a lot of bridges rather than keep the door open for a return.

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You talk a lot about programming languages.

That sets the limits in the beginning.

But there are no limits now with C++.

And the talents of an exceptional programmer.


Gol done pretty good for himself didn't he?
Harmor?

This whole project died a long time ago.
There won't be anything more.

How long have the faithful hung on?

Man, I'm proud to use the same DAW as you.

Quite soon now, it will all be over.

It is the year 2013 for now, in a few months it will be 2014.


I still love XT2 to bits. Fast as f***.



I'd pay good money to see this amazing DAW progress. A coupla hundred euros.

But for now...

It is still very stable.
It is very fun.
It is very compatible.

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robojam wrote:
ZonderP wrote:
liquidsound wrote:Maybe he put together a family. Busy with kids? :shrug: :?:
+1
Exactly my thoughts.
For some people business is not necessarily the most essential part of life.
True, but the zero communication burns a lot of bridges rather than keep the door open for a return.
I'm not so sure about those bridges...
It's like Sylenth1. Zero progress and 100 silent. BUT it's still working and the the absolute silent from the developer, as with XT, can not interfere with me using it.
I'm still using Crystal and Oatmeal for that matter. :shrug:
ABEFLGMOPPRRST :phones:

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liquidsound wrote:I'm not so sure about those bridges...
It's like Sylenth1. Zero progress and 100 silent. BUT it's still working and the the absolute silent from the developer, as with XT, can not interfere with me using it.
I'm still using Crystal and Oatmeal for that matter. :shrug:
There are certainly people who have publicly said they're done with XT. I'm one of them - I love the modular view and how easy it is to use, but with no 64 bit I've gone elsewhere. No point in going back to XT now.

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robojam wrote:
liquidsound wrote:I'm not so sure about those bridges...
It's like Sylenth1. Zero progress and 100 silent. BUT it's still working and the the absolute silent from the developer, as with XT, can not interfere with me using it.
I'm still using Crystal and Oatmeal for that matter. :shrug:
There are certainly people who have publicly said they're done with XT. I'm one of them - I love the modular view and how easy it is to use, but with no 64 bit I've gone elsewhere. No point in going back to XT now.
Yes, for 64 needs you're right. I still use 32 (most of my DAWs) for most projects. Bad habits :)
ABEFLGMOPPRRST :phones:

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robojam wrote:
jens wrote:4) eXT 1.x was coded in Delphi. Development was very fast. XT2 has been coded in C++ development has been and still is very slow. This was Jorgen's own choice.
I don't know if that's the reason why development was so slow. In a previous life I programmed in both languages, and can't think of any reason why moving from Delphi to C++ would slow development by the magnitude that we saw it slow.

I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that Jorgen has no interest. His lack of engagement with anyone who is still enthusiastic about eXT speaks volumes to me.
I think the different object models alone would definitely cause a slowdown in coding. It probably would have been easier to go to C# than C++, since the libraries are nearly identical, but I don't think C# produces native code... at least not optimized.

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frankz00 wrote:
robojam wrote:
jens wrote:4) eXT 1.x was coded in Delphi. Development was very fast. XT2 has been coded in C++ development has been and still is very slow. This was Jorgen's own choice.
I don't know if that's the reason why development was so slow. In a previous life I programmed in both languages, and can't think of any reason why moving from Delphi to C++ would slow development by the magnitude that we saw it slow.

I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that Jorgen has no interest. His lack of engagement with anyone who is still enthusiastic about eXT speaks volumes to me.
I think the different object models alone would definitely cause a slowdown in coding. It probably would have been easier to go to C# than C++, since the libraries are nearly identical, but I don't think C# produces native code... at least not optimized.
I know that Delphi might be quicker, but I was making the point that it could add 10%, 20% maybe 50% to coding time, not cause a hiatus of years.

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robojam wrote: I know that Delphi might be quicker, but I was making the point that it could add 10%, 20% maybe 50% to coding time, not cause a hiatus of years.
BUt if it was somewhere between 20% and 50%, it could well explain a significant drop in motivation, which of course would then further increase the slowdown.

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jens wrote:
robojam wrote: I know that Delphi might be quicker, but I was making the point that it could add 10%, 20% maybe 50% to coding time, not cause a hiatus of years.
if it was somewhere between 20% and 50%, but it could well explain a significant drop in motivation, which of course would then increase the slowdown.
Perhaps, but it seems much more than a slow down. Maybe it is lack of interest in moving to another language, but I can't help feel it's much more than that.

It really shouldn't take much to just communicate once in a while. Even if there has been a lot of negative commentary, it didn't start like that - it got that way once the radio silence got longer and longer.

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THK wrote:
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(like in v1.4)

Oh well, it's been only 7 years.
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