KVR Audio

Kaine · Post by **Kaine** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:21 pm

Scotrick wrote:They even happily ran without the variety of 'helper' applications that many video cards sneak in there, like 3D, or HDMI audio, and so on.

As side note, if your setting up a audio box and not gaming on it (hell even if you are in most cases they can still be removed) I'd strongly advise doing a custom install and disabling everything except the core driver. Stuff like HD audio (over hdmi), updaters and physics and 3d drivers are unneeded on the desktop and do nothing but crank up the DPC score for most pro users.

pocvecem · Post by **pocvecem** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:38 pm

Compyfox wrote: I really think about going AMD/ATI this time around. Price/power deal is excellent, it comes passive cooled (no modding needed, also 2 slots and not 3 after the modding) and it has 3 ports for displays in case I need more. NVidia could only use 2 at the same time.

I have a passive Radeon HD 5770 for 2.5 years now and i'm still very pleased. Using it with two Samsung 24".

But you only can use two active displays at the same time though it has three ports. You can only use the two dvi ports or one dvi and the hdmi.
It's not a three monitors solution. At least it's the case with my card.

Cheers,
Gerald

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:42 am

I need to revive this.

I still think my GPU is some sort of bottleneck, and I want to "cut" that one away, before I fully upgrade to an IvyBridge.

I found out, that my rig is pretty much an equivalent of an iMac 11.1/11.3 already, only that this particular iMac uses ATI GPU's and not NVidia.

I'm slowly thinking "man, you don't use CUDA stuff, you never use GPU DSP based plugins, and you don't play newer games - so why waste your efforts on that", apparently, the ATI Stream system seems to work as DSP for Adobe Photoshop/Premiere as well.

I just need a more powerful, silent GPU. I rarely do gaming on this rig. So...

Only question remaining is the one with the screen handling:

With Matrox, I could hit on the "fullscreen" button of a tool, and it openend it on one screen of my desire. If I held down the CTRL key and then hit "fullscreen", it opened over the whole screen setup.

NVidia was always a b*tch in that case. I could use one preset only that either does fullscreen per monitor, or fullscreen on both monitors. But not both, and especially not with a hotkey.

How is that handled with AMD/ATI? Through EyeFinity? Or do I need a tool like UltraMon to get back the usage I want? (which in turn, is a CPU hog)

So... any comments against this particular ATI Card?

Kaine · Post by **Kaine** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:21 pm

Compyfox wrote: I still think my GPU is some sort of bottleneck

Why do you think that? What are symptoms you are trying to fix and in what situation?

Compyfox wrote: I found out, that my rig is pretty much an equivalent of an iMac 11.1/11.3 already, only that this particular iMac uses ATI GPU's and not NVidia.

Fun fact : When using a proper MAC that annoying redraw issue people see sometimes in Logic can be fixed by fitting an Nvidia card. Just because Apple have fitted something, don't expect that it's the right answer!

Compyfox wrote: I'm slowly thinking "man, you don't use CUDA stuff, you never use GPU DSP based plugins, and you don't play newer games - so why waste your efforts on that", apparently, the ATI Stream system seems to work as DSP for Adobe Photoshop/Premiere as well.

I just need a more powerful, silent GPU. I rarely do gaming on this rig. So...

What are you doing that justifies it? Video work that requiriers a co-processor for rendering?

I'm not saying a change of card wouldn't be suitable for you, I'm just interested to see what your trying to fix in case it's something that may not be resolved by making these changes.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:11 pm

Let's do this outside of PM's as well, so other might benefit.

Kaine wrote:Why do you think that? What are symptoms you are trying to fix and in what situation?

I have graphic issues.
Mainly in terms of vertical redraw. Slowdowns in terms of graphic redrawing in the OS and the likes.

I have the most prominent "behavior" with video streams (mostly HD - 720P and 1080P), if I scroll through pages of files with a file manager (like TotalCommander or Windows explorer), and the Windows System Assessment Tool shows me the lowest value for the GPU as well.

Kaine wrote:Fun fact : When using a proper MAC that annoying redraw issue people see sometimes in Logic can be fixed by fitting an Nvidia card. Just because Apple have fitted something, don't expect that it's the right answer!

Hah! Now that is new to me. Never ran into that issue, but I did see "vertical redraw" glitches on an iMac 11.3 with videos in YT and sometimes Logic (with a video stream) as well.

Kaine wrote: What are you doing that justifies it? Video work that requiriers a co-processor for rendering?

I'd like to use Adobe Premiere and Encore at some point, also Photoshop once in a while. I don't know if the HD graphics from an onboard Ivy/Haswell would be suitable enough.

Else, mainly Cubase/Wavelab/Reaper, YouTube, certain HD streams (movies), the occasional game from like two years back.

Nothing drastic.

Kaine · Post by **Kaine** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:34 pm

Compyfox wrote: I have graphic issues.
Mainly in terms of vertical redraw. Slowdowns in terms of graphic redrawing in the OS and the likes.

You mentioned your using an old 9500GT, latest drivers? I'm just wondering if the lack of direct x 11 support is impacting here. I know you changed the preferences to drop/remove the effects in windows but have you switched to a basic "none areo" theme?

Compyfox wrote: I have the most prominent "behavior" with video streams (mostly HD - 720P and 1080P), if I scroll through pages of files with a file manager (like TotalCommander or Windows explorer), and the Windows System Assessment Tool shows me the lowest value for the GPU as well.

Ahh right, yeah could well be the case that your card just doesn't have the full range of support needed then. Well the onboard Intels now pull around the same as a NV 630/640 and has all the support you need format wise. The entry levels options from NV and ATI should both do the job fine althrough the's never any harm going for a bit more grunt if you need it for the reaons you outlined previously, just don't feel like you need to go crazy on an upgrade as I strongly suspect you really don't need too.

I'd like to use Adobe Premiere and Encore at some point, also Photoshop once in a while. I don't know if the HD graphics from an onboard Ivy/Haswell would be suitable enough.

All the work itself is done on the CPU unless you have a co-processor in there like CUDA taking the weight off, so the onboard would be more than enough unless you wanted to invest in the extra grunt.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:06 pm

Kaine wrote:You mentioned your using an old 9500GT, latest drivers?

I'm one update short, but else I'm on latest drivers.

Kaine wrote:I'm just wondering if the lack of direct x 11 support is impacting here. I know you changed the preferences to drop/remove the effects in windows but have you switched to a basic "none areo" theme?

Yes, did so. And no, the 9500GT doesn't utilize DX11.
I recently tested a GT610, but that was half the power of a 9500GT, even though it could do DX11.

The glitches were apparent with that card as well.

Kaine wrote:Ahh right, yeah could well be the case that your card just doesn't have the full range of support needed then. Well the onboard Intels now pull around the same as a NV 630/640 and has all the support you need format wise. The entry levels options from NV and ATI should both do the job fine althrough the's never any harm going for a bit more grunt if you need it for the reaons you outlined previously, just don't feel like you need to go crazy on an upgrade as I strongly suspect you really don't need too.

That makes sense. Though I remember that the 9500GT was fully supported by Win7 (especially with new drivers - box said so at least). The score in Windows is about 4.1 for the GPU alone. The 610GT scored 4.5 btw.

Kaine wrote:All the work itself is done on the CPU unless you have a co-processor in there like CUDA taking the weight off, so the onboard would be more than enough unless you wanted to invest in the extra grunt.

Question is... does the Intel HD4xxx come with a co-processor?
I didn't dive into that yet, but I know that Adobe offers support for ATI and NVidia, but I didn't see anything about Intel sets.

I mean, good... if I go for a Haswell CPU, the speed might be not that of an issue if I go for Premiere/Encore once in a while, or a full blown render in Photoshop. Though I'm only wondering if there might be something like GPU enhancement possible.

Else... I'm still a bit hesitating on "on board" GPU's. But if they really grew into something great these days, I might save about 120quids, have more space "in" the rig, the airflow is better, etc.

Benefits all over.

I only fear issues with mainboard drivers. Unless they're (thankfully) separated, like LAN drivers and co.

Kaine · Post by **Kaine** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:24 am

That makes sense. Though I remember that the 9500GT was fully supported by Win7 (especially with new drivers - box said so at least). The score in Windows is about 4.1 for the GPU alone. The 610GT scored 4.5 btw.

Doesn't suprise me tbh. 9500Gt was a midrange card that pulled resonable scores and the 210 followed it (midrange normally ends up being the next gen lowend score wise) but they've not really advanced since then as the hasn't been much need too, at least in the low end. The 610's and the 210's bench fairly closely given the age difference between them with the newer card just having increased support and features.

Kaine wrote: Question is... does the Intel HD4xxx come with a co-processor?
I didn't dive into that yet, but I know that Adobe offers support for ATI and NVidia, but I didn't see anything about Intel sets.

Not really, your limited to what's refered to as Quick Sync ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/6665/inte ... lications- ) for transcoding but I've not seen it leveraged in any other way. So purely from that point of view, it justifies an add in card if you need the functionality.

Else... I'm still a bit hesitating on "on board" GPU's. But if they really grew into something great these days, I might save about 120quids, have more space "in" the rig, the airflow is better, etc.

Well here's all the relevent reviews:

https://www.google.co.uk/#output=search ... 20&bih=708

I only fear issues with mainboard drivers. Unless they're (thankfully) separated, like LAN drivers and co.

They are seperate drivers.

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:46 am

I was in a spot where i was considering getting a passively cooled GPU just for the DAW work, but ended up thinking that "Heck I'll still need some power for gaming, the fan-noise doesn't bother me too much" and got a powerful fan equipped GTX660 instead! 1,2 TeraFlops of raw power really does make a difference on games.

As a big suprise to me the ASUS DirectCU GTX660 i chose is actually -Very- quiet. It's equipped with two big-ass fans that rotate quite sensibly when there's no load on the GPU; Just around 1200 RPM and the GPU temperature keeps under 40 celsius. Getting a passive GPU might have gotten me into heat problems as there's nothing to move the generated heat out of the case. With this bad boy it's blown away

Recommendations for a silent GPU