As I mentioned in another thread I recently picked up FL producer edition. IMHO its a great app that offers lots of compatibility, much scope for experimentation etc etc.
What I dont understand is the stigma attached to using it. Is it the name, number of crackheads using it, the fact that its cheap, or all of the above?
I've just read thread after thread on future producers (uughhh) making comparisons between FL and pro tools etc. Some people were making analogies between wearing a cheap suit(fl) and a hugo boss suit (cubase etc) to a job interview. WTF? When I send out demos THE LAST thing I would mention on it would be the gear/apps used. What label would care about something like that?
That said, I think the people on this board are a lot more objective in their opinion. Looptalk also seems to be a good resource. Its unfortunate that I already feel like I should think twice before mentioning to others that I use it. Its like a guilty pleasure....or liking a christina aguilara song. who wants to be lumped in with a bunch of whining teenyboppers.
BTW, the speed of this board absolutely ROCKS now.
Keep up the good work.
welcome to the world of FL...
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- something special
- 8627 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Birmingham, Alabama
That said, I think the people on this board are a lot more objective in their opinion.
I was thinking yesterday, about the first time I used fruity; don't remember exactly but it was an early edition. I was really taken with it, and thought and even spoke of it (once) as finally an app that worked the way my mind did.
well, things have a way of happening, and I drifted from fruity into the land of cubase (which I love). Still, I have flstudio, and am determined to learn how to better use it, even if it's just as a vst in cubase.
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- Banned
- 4073 posts since 15 Mar, 2004
I tried fruity in it's first incarnation. I liked it then as a drum machine. But after a couple years it really evolved into a very nice and functional product. I bought it recently at version 4.5.1 and I love it for it's quick setup. Idea to final product is way cool. I also use Sonar Producer 3, but I am happy with FLS for a lot of things.soulkraka wrote:As I mentioned in another thread I recently picked up FL producer edition. IMHO its a great app that offers lots of compatibility, much scope for experimentation etc etc.
What I dont understand is the stigma attached to using it. Is it the name, number of crackheads using it, the fact that its cheap, or all of the above?
I've just read thread after thread on future producers (uughhh) making comparisons between FL and pro tools etc. Some people were making analogies between wearing a cheap suit(fl) and a hugo boss suit (cubase etc) to a job interview. WTF? When I send out demos THE LAST thing I would mention on it would be the gear/apps used. What label would care about something like that?
That said, I think the people on this board are a lot more objective in their opinion. Looptalk also seems to be a good resource. Its unfortunate that I already feel like I should think twice before mentioning to others that I use it. Its like a guilty pleasure....or liking a christina aguilara song. who wants to be lumped in with a bunch of whining teenyboppers.
BTW, the speed of this board absolutely ROCKS now.
Keep up the good work.
Can FLS be used in a professional environment? An unequivocal yes.
Lots of people dis this program and that. What really counts is what works for you.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1144 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from tOKYO
Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good
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- Banned
- 851 posts since 14 Mar, 2004
Fruity Loops has a bad name because it is shit 
just kidding. I used it from version 2 up to 3.56 (?). I learned heaps of things about sequencing using it, but started to find that as i wanted to do more complex things, FL just wasn't up to it- or it was much more difficult then it should be.
Truth be told i could probably list dozens of things that *i* think are wrong with it, ranging from the "annoying" to the "unacceptable", but i don't really see the point
. There are great things about it too.
I view fruity loops like a lot of other software- Cubase started as a MIDI program, and that's what it is good at. Pro Tools started out as an Audio Editor of sorts, and again, it excels at this. Fruity Loops was a drum machine- i still think it is. And a very good one at that.
But there's no f**king way i'd consider it a full blown audio/midi environment.
Having said that, the developers do a good job- it's constantly being updated, There's always new features, generators, effects etc.- So who knows. Mabye i'll take it seriously in a couple of years or so
just kidding. I used it from version 2 up to 3.56 (?). I learned heaps of things about sequencing using it, but started to find that as i wanted to do more complex things, FL just wasn't up to it- or it was much more difficult then it should be.
Truth be told i could probably list dozens of things that *i* think are wrong with it, ranging from the "annoying" to the "unacceptable", but i don't really see the point
. There are great things about it too. I view fruity loops like a lot of other software- Cubase started as a MIDI program, and that's what it is good at. Pro Tools started out as an Audio Editor of sorts, and again, it excels at this. Fruity Loops was a drum machine- i still think it is. And a very good one at that.
But there's no f**king way i'd consider it a full blown audio/midi environment.
Having said that, the developers do a good job- it's constantly being updated, There's always new features, generators, effects etc.- So who knows. Mabye i'll take it seriously in a couple of years or so
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- KVRer
- 29 posts since 27 Feb, 2004 from Malmö, Sweden
the gui is giving it a bad reputation.. i like it alot though, but people working in top of the line expensive as crap environments might judge it from a screenshot. I find it the ultimate tool.
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- KVRAF
- 7872 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
I thank god every day in my prayers for fruityloops. I love itsoulkraka wrote:As I mentioned in another thread I recently picked up FL producer edition. IMHO its a great app that offers lots of compatibility, much scope for experimentation etc etc.
What I dont understand is the stigma attached to using it. Is it the name, number of crackheads using it, the fact that its cheap, or all of the above?
I've just read thread after thread on future producers (uughhh) making comparisons between FL and pro tools etc. Some people were making analogies between wearing a cheap suit(fl) and a hugo boss suit (cubase etc) to a job interview. WTF? When I send out demos THE LAST thing I would mention on it would be the gear/apps used. What label would care about something like that?
That said, I think the people on this board are a lot more objective in their opinion. Looptalk also seems to be a good resource. Its unfortunate that I already feel like I should think twice before mentioning to others that I use it. Its like a guilty pleasure....or liking a christina aguilara song. who wants to be lumped in with a bunch of whining teenyboppers.
BTW, the speed of this board absolutely ROCKS now.
Keep up the good work.
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- KVRist
- 152 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Oregon
I've owned Sonar, Cubase SX, Tracktion, and I've been around Pro Tools quite a bit, and I've ditched them all for FL Studio. Right now I'm working solo and FL is much better suited for what I'm doing than your typical "full blown audio/MIDI" sequencer... by a long shot. I've owned Fruity since version 3.0 and it still boggles my mind how superior it is to any other program in many ways.hoffy wrote:But there's no f**king way i'd consider it a full blown audio/midi environment.
But I agree, it's not the best at everything. I wouldn't use it to record a live band or something like that. FL obviously wasn't designed for this, but the audio recording features that are there are really cool. I can't wait to see where they go with it.
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 28 Feb, 2004 from Lima, Peru
I´m glad i was never caught up in the "FLOOP SUX" trend.
Now after a couple of years, I´ve learned how to use Acid Pro, Cubase SX, Emagic´s Logic (which i use for mastering purposes), and also dabble with the awesome Buzz. And still people give me the looks when I mention that for the most part I still use FLoops. But i can´t really care less: is a host, and nothing but a host (and a very stable one)--> i.e it doesn´t represent my compositional or engineering skills, nor the quality or creativity of my vst´s patches or third party plugins/fx.
So, its true it has serious limitations compared to, say , the groove quantization options in Logic or the flexibility on Cubase´s Mixer parametric EQ. So what! That shoulnd´t take away credit from any great track/song made partially or completely with FLoops.
If I had a full studio setup with mics, drums, tons of keyboards and stuff, I would probably consider using some other program as my main host. But for clicky-virtual-madness FLOOPS is still my #1 choice.
Now after a couple of years, I´ve learned how to use Acid Pro, Cubase SX, Emagic´s Logic (which i use for mastering purposes), and also dabble with the awesome Buzz. And still people give me the looks when I mention that for the most part I still use FLoops. But i can´t really care less: is a host, and nothing but a host (and a very stable one)--> i.e it doesn´t represent my compositional or engineering skills, nor the quality or creativity of my vst´s patches or third party plugins/fx.
So, its true it has serious limitations compared to, say , the groove quantization options in Logic or the flexibility on Cubase´s Mixer parametric EQ. So what! That shoulnd´t take away credit from any great track/song made partially or completely with FLoops.
If I had a full studio setup with mics, drums, tons of keyboards and stuff, I would probably consider using some other program as my main host. But for clicky-virtual-madness FLOOPS is still my #1 choice.
wimpy arcade house or flat insipid tech? Barcode think he´s breakin ground when those german clickers from Onitor, Traum, Kompakt, Ware, etc, have been doing the same thing for years... and boy they do it so much better!
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- KVRist
- 152 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Oregon
I've never used Logic (SoundDiver managed to scare me away from anything with an Emagic label), but FL's groove quantize features are much better than Sonar's or Cubase's. Much easier to use too I think. FL's parametric EQ in the mixer has only 3 bands, but a very flexible 7 band parametric EQ is available as a plugin.dunholy wrote:So, its true it has serious limitations compared to, say , the groove quantization options in Logic or the flexibility on Cubase´s Mixer parametric EQ. So what! That shoulnd´t take away credit from any great track/song made partially or completely with FLoops.
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- Banned
- 851 posts since 14 Mar, 2004
One thing that does piss me off about fruity loops, which i failed to mention, is that people always feel they need to justify themselves when they say they use it 
And it's automation facilities suck.
just my opinion.
And it's automation facilities suck.
just my opinion.
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- KVRist
- 189 posts since 12 Jan, 2004 from Underground
I just wish people would make more music.
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- KVRer
- 21 posts since 2 Oct, 2003
i don't think the clock in FL is particularly solid, especially when doing midi out. for rendering it's okay but in real-time it can get squirrely even in asio.
and let's face it, the automation, while easy, is pretty half-assed and completely imprecise. compare it to the automation facilities of say, DP, and it looks laughable. but it is a way cool vst host and i think the piano roll is really quick and has a nice feel.
and let's face it, the automation, while easy, is pretty half-assed and completely imprecise. compare it to the automation facilities of say, DP, and it looks laughable. but it is a way cool vst host and i think the piano roll is really quick and has a nice feel.
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- KVRist
- 152 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Oregon
Automation sucks? Automation half-assed? You've got to be freakin' kidding me. This is one of the things that sets FL apart. Granted, FL can't give you colorful screenshots with 14 multi-colored breakpoint envelopes tangled into a giant mess. I guess it's not "pro".
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- KVRAF
- 1530 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
i find fl studio wonderful for making loops to use in other apps
but impossible to write songs because there is no loop record
when, o when do i get loop record
but impossible to write songs because there is no loop record
when, o when do i get loop record