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bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:34 pm

Sounds awesome Ingo!!

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:56 pm

bmanic wrote:Sounds awesome Ingo!!

Thanks for your comment.

Looks like i just solved the last problem with the envelope release by replacing the oscillators in the Supersaw macro with Core Cell modules/macros.

UPDATE:
I started adding the latest result to the beginning of the OP. Will replace when a new one is available.

PS:
Before i forget: Many thanks to kmonkey for testing my approaches.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:25 pm

After the latest update (see last page) many modules in the ensemble are based on Core Cell now like:

- Filter + amplifier (from Monark)
- envelopes (from Monark)
- oscillators in the Supersaw macro (original macro from JP-4c)
- the Chorus, Reverb and Phaser FXs are based on Core Cell modules too

Those are increasing the CPU use so replacing them with "standard" modules will be checked (the Monark filter and the Supersaw macro are "fixed" more or less).

Replacing the Monark envelopes with an ADSR Core module from the Reaktor factory content already reduces the CPU load around 7% on my system.

Removing the FXs will also lower the CPU use (saves around around 15-20% on my system) so you could use external ones if you like.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:00 pm

After having solved several problems that i found at the beginning i now started to create a more "full featured" synth.

Changes are:
- replaced the envelopes with "standard" envelopes (no Core Cell) which reduces the CPU use around 10% (or more) on my system.
- Added Pitchwheel support and Aftertouch (currently increases Cutoff).
- Added another LFO for filter modulation
- adapted the few presets to the changes (especially the envelopes)

Here is a screnshot of the current GUI:

Here is the structure of the ensemble:

This is how the Monark macro looks now (envelope module removed so only the filter + Amp remains):

For those who want to try to rebuild this here is the ensemble without the Monark filter module:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... filter.ens

You will need the "Filter & Amplifier" module from Monark. At the screenshot you see how to set the wires.

Of course you are free to test other filter modules instead of the Monark filter.

If the CPU use is too high you could reduce the voices (currently 5) in the ensemble options. Removing the effects (or just switching off) could save lots of CPU too.

I guess the main parrts (filter oscillators, envelopes could stay like tehy are at the moment. The Monark envelopes are quite special so if you want to use them you could have a look at the last page.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:00 pm

Looks like the transpose knob in the first Supersaw was not connected correctly which was leading to the Pitchbend not working properly.

I just corrected the screenshot a and the ensemble file.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:16 pm

Just added an EQ and an oscilloscope to the ensemble and added "Cross modulation" which means i added an input of Osc2 to Osc 1.

I now tried to use a different filter instead of the Monark one and found that the modified Supersaw macro (with Core modules) does not work properly with other filers. Creates a constant noise when connected to a differennt filter

Now i created an ensemble that uses the orignal Supersaw macro (from Alex Shore's JP-4c) and the Ladder x3 filter from Reaktor (based on Core modules).

You could check the ensemble yourself:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... er%201.ens^

a screenshot of the GUI:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... d%2021.png

This got selectable filter poles (1 up to 4). Sounds nice but not the same as Monark. Also the feeback and overload from Monark is not included of course and AFAIK that filter does not use the 0df filter technology.

As the Monark filter module also includes an Ampflifier some changes had to be done to the ensemble.

CPU use is low compared to the Monark filter (around 35-40% of the Monark filter).

Ingo

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:23 am

Interesting experiment Ingo! Thanks (to all involved) for sharing.

I'm going to have to have some fun with this, also.

Keep it up.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:45 am

This thread is totally awesome

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:24 am

kmonkey wrote:This thread is totally awesome

Thanks.

as posted in my last post i tried using another filter (built-in one) for my ensemble but it's not the same as using the Monark filter...

Some interesting approaches in the JP-4c thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6&start=30

The stereo Supersaw looks interesting, will check with my ensemble too.
He posted links for free 0df filters. I'll try to check those.

UPDATE:
Tested the Stereo Supersaw. You need a second filter to get the stereo effect which leads to a HUGE CPU load when using the Monark filter.
I had to reduce polyphony to 4, remove the second Supesaw oscillator and also the FXs to get this working.
A bit too many limitations for my taste so i guess i will stay with the "normal" Supersaw for using the Monark filter.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:28 am

This was posted in that other (about JP-4c) thread:

Ingonator wrote:
jdnz wrote: version with a few of the various filters (and with vcf env routing to the HP as well as LP)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Pbcuh ... sp=sharing
Hi,

based on the Moog filter included with your Ensemble i creted a version of my Supersaw/Monark Ensemble which uses that Moog filter instead the Monark one.

Here is the download:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 20MkII.ens

This is a screenshot of the GUI:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... d%2022.png

The only module from JP-4c is the Supersaw macro.
I also tried to adjust the few presets i had for my Ensemble yet.

The CPU use of the corresponding Monark filter Ensemble is around 2.5 times the amount of this this one. The Monark filter is a multimode filter (LP4 = Minimoog, LP2, LP1, BP)

Ingonator wrote: I just created a version of the ensemble i posted that includes multiwave (Saw, adjustable Pulse, Triangle) for all Supersaw waveforms. I also added waveform selectors for ALL single waveforms so you could even mix waveforms within a "Supersaw" or better "Superwave" oscillator. I also added an option to use PWM (with a dedicated LFO).

Here is the ensemble:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... el%20D.ens

This is a screenshot of the GUI:

The oscillator called "Osc 0" is the central waveform.

Will try to do a Monark version of the last one soon.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:02 pm

Just created a Monark version of that ensemble mentioned in the last post.

Uses a selectable waveform (Saw, adjustable Pulse, Triangle) for ALL Supersaw waveforms with dedicated controls for each of them. PWM is possible too.

I had to reduce the voices to 4 at my system as this uses LOT of CPU (especially when using the Pulse, the Saw uses less...).

Here is a screenshot of the GUI:

This is the ensemble structure:

This is how the Monark filter module is wired (same as the earlier Monark ensembles):

For those who want to rebuild this based on the Monark filter & amplifier module here is the ensemble without the filter module:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... filter.ens

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:08 am

looks like this will be my last update for a while. I think the results are already great. Would be nice to see if other could improve it even more.

Still working on beta testing + presets for a new upcoming softsynth.

Next week another Beta test + sound design will start.

Ingo

electro · Post by **electro** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:22 pm

What is the goal? A Memorymoog?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:59 am

electro wrote:What is the goal? A Memorymoog?

If you like, do it...

Serious answer: NO, no Memorymoog was planned. I have also not found a free Memorymoog ensemble yet where i could add the filter.

BAsically this was started by the JP-4c ensemble and the Supersaw macro from from Alex. I was not totally happy with the filter in JP-4c (which is the Pro-52 filter used in many Reaktor ensembles) and thoght it would be cool to add the Monark filter somehow.

Starting from the Monark ensemble only the Monark filter was kept at the end and i even made a version without any Monark module (see post above). From JP-4c currently only the Supersaw macro remains and i made some modifications at least with the oscillators) to that too.

After all i have proven that it is possible to use the Monark filter for your own Reaktor ensembles.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:50 am

I was asked many times (mostly by electro...) about using the Monark filter as an external FX.
BAsed on one of the the latest ensembles i posted here i have now created an ensemble that does not include oscillators but an external input (mono in the first example).

I teted this in Ableton Live 9. You have use the enesemble with the Reaktor 5 FX plugin and use another MIDI track (with routing) to trigger the Monark filter ensemble.

Herer is a screenshot of the Ensemble GUI and the Ableton Live 9 setup (using Saurus as an input):

This is the ensemble structure:

This is the Monark macro (only the filter + amp module from Monark):

For those who want to use this here is the ensemble file without the Monark module:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... filter.ens

In my first attempts (including earlier ones) i forgot to trigger the Reaktor FX plugin from another MIDI track.

Ingo

NI Monark filter in other Reaktor ensembles, an approach (improved results and new demos added )