Waldorf Largo 64 bit, when?

[rob_lee]

No, wait, just one of them left. Now I don't remember which one.

Wolfram

[EvilDragon]

It is not easy continuing work from somebody else's code, I assure you.

Is it this kind of task the programmer need to solve?: http://www.viva64.com/en/a/0004/

That is a good list of issues, I'd say. Things can be VERY tricky to solve, depending on how something was coded.

No, wait, just one of them left. Now I don't remember which one.

Wolfram

Thanks. Too bad...

[Ingonator]

It was Steffan, yes. He also did a lot of DSP work on Largo.

You mean both Steffan and Wolfram left Waldorf? Hmm... it seems hard to recover from that.

Only Wolfram left which is worse enough.

Not only that he was a great developer he also was a great sound designer IMO.
Have met him two times personally at the Musikmesse (besides lot's of emails) and he's a great guy...

Stefan Stenzel is still sthere and like for the Pulse 1 he created the Pulse 2 hardware part (filter etc.).
For teh softwarte part of the Pulse 2 (which cause the most work currently as the hardware is finished) they got a new french developer Called Frederic Meslin.

Recently i got this email from Fredric (who i also met at the Musikmesse add checked the Pulse 2 together with him).


I have also heard that the Waldorf Rocket seemed to sell very well.

This did/does not the case for both PPG Wave 3.V and also my own commercial bank for it. My Blofeld bank was selling MUCH better than this and AFAIk the Blofeld itself sold very well too (both desktop + keyboard).


Conclusion:
Waldorf is alive but they do not have really many developers to care for multiple projects. Besides being well known Waldorf is far from being a huge company like e.g.Roland or Yamaha). Without Wolfram i'm sure that Largo and PPG Wave 3.V 64-bit will need some time. From some efforts of e.g. Tone 2 (ElectraX and Gladiator) i know that a port to 64-bit, especially AU 64-bit, is not an easy task like some people maybe think.
I know this is no nice situation but that's how it is.

Besides the problems Waldorf still seems to have a loyal fanbase, especially for their hardware synths.
Personally i am and/or was very happy with all i currently own from them (Blofeld desktop, PPG Wave 3.V, Largo, Waldorf Edition, Lector) and owned in the past (Q keyboard, Microwave XT).


Ingo

[rob_lee]

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[Numanoid]

I'm hoping 64 bit only Logic will put a kick-up-the-backside for those developers dragging their feet over 64 bit. Although it is causing problems in the short term, in the long term it's probably a good thing that they chose to let go of 32 bit entirely and a lot of people will be thanking them for taking the lead one day.

But Apple is known for kicking out the old quickly, they do not offer support for OS X Leopard now for instance, even though it's less than 4 years since that was in main use (OS X Snow Leopard was introduced August 28, 2009).

[EvilDragon]

That's going to be downfall of Apple sooner or later, not catering for older OS versions. Mark my words. Microsoft pulled them out of bankrupcy two times already. And you know how they say, third time is the charm.

[mkdr]

That's going to be downfall of Apple sooner or later, not catering for older OS versions. Mark my words. Microsoft pulled them out of bankrupcy two times already. And you know how they say, third time is the charm.

Apple doesn't make computers. It makes mobile devices. Their PC range and sales are minimal compared to mobile sales. And on mobile they have adopted the Microsoft way of backwards compatibility. Good for them. It truly is a miracle their PC OS is still alive.

[EvilDragon]

True, they might stop producing computers altogether at some point then, because their gadget market is much larger.

[Ingonator]

Your not under NDA anymore at Waldorf Ingo???? I wouldn't be posting person e-mails to here at KVR of all places

Just saying!

Rob

No highly secret informations i guess and it shows that actually something is happening at Waldorf. Anyway i removed it.

If you thought it's better to remove it it was clever that you quoted my post...

Would be good if you delete the quote too.


Ingo

[rob_lee]

Your not under NDA anymore at Waldorf Ingo???? I wouldn't be posting person e-mails to here at KVR of all places

Just saying!

Rob

No highly secret informations i guess and it shows that actually something is happening at Waldorf. Anyway i removed it.

If you thought it's better to remove it it was clever that you quoted my post...

Would be good if you delete the quote too.


Ingo

Done!

[fmr]

It was Steffan, yes. He also did a lot of DSP work on Largo.

You mean both Steffan and Wolfram left Waldorf? Hmm... it seems hard to recover from that.

Only Wolfram left which is worse enough.

Not only that he was a great developer he also was a great sound designer IMO.
Have met him two times personally at the Musikmesse (besides lot's of emails) and he's a great guy...
Ingo

Knowing Wolfram since the early days of Microwave, I must say I completely subscribe your assertion. He was always a driving force, and it's a great loss for Waldorf, IMO.

[aMUSEd]

I'm hoping 64 bit only Logic will put a kick-up-the-backside for those developers dragging their feet over 64 bit. Although it is causing problems in the short term, in the long term it's probably a good thing that they chose to let go of 32 bit entirely and a lot of people will be thanking them for taking the lead one day.

But Apple is known for kicking out the old quickly, they do not offer support for OS X Leopard now for instance, even though it's less than 4 years since that was in main use (OS X Snow Leopard was introduced August 28, 2009).

Indeed, but I think it has a positive side in that it gives an impetus to developers that have been avoiding keeping up with technology, even if it can also, at times, be a PITA. Basically now Waldorf are selling several flagship plugins that are no longer compatible with one of the major DAWs, if that doesn't make them do something about it nothing will. It is a risky strategy for Apple but I think maybe it will be of benefit in the long run.

[Monib]

So Lector is 64-bit, but Largo isn't?

[Ruddy]

I find myself not wanting to buy products from companies that are ignoring 64bit, especially on fairly recent products, to instead just build new products.

Maybe because new products give them money, and releasing a 64-bit version doesn't? And Largo is not "fairly recent", since it was released like 4 years ago. Why are you so desperate about 64-bit, anyway? Isn't it working OK bridged?

Well i asked them perhaps a year ago, and yes I would consider a 3-4 year old synth as fairly recent, certainly in terms of this discussion. As for why I'm so keen for 64bit, I'm a logic user, so v10 has certainly made it all the more important nay.

But even wi logic 9 I was using 64bit and found the bridge a bit of a pain and ended up just not really using the 32bit plugs anymore.

I really like Waldorf sound, I have had 3 of their hardware synth, still have one even now that I've so.d most of my hardware, but they dragged their feet with this. Sure Wolfram has left, but he was still there when 64bit was becoming the norm and they did noting, instead focusing on making new synths. I think for customers to focus on developers who keep 'fairly recent' synths up to date and ignoring those who don't is quite reasonable and benefits everyone in the long run.

[flakes2]

I think it's difficult to port to X64 because they've choosen to ship it with a syncrosoft dongle. Maybe there are also diffiulties with the framework which makes it hard to port. Or maybe sales are not good enough to justify the amount of work for the port?