JP-4c for Reaktor: free JP-8000 Supersaw emulation

[alexmshore]

Thanks very much for this Alex. I listened to the demo and it sounds very much like the original.

Glad you like it Osiris!

good stuff!
how about a collaborative/community developed mega jp8080 ensemble?
(original author's permission required of course)

i'll do the graphics

Certainly would be an interesting project, would be nice to get some better graphic elements in there! I have always wanted more customisation of the standard Reaktor GUI.

just did a quick edit in reaktor to make it more like a jp8000 (dual layers) and added in the 'new' reaktor filters whilst I was doing it - if you think it sounds nice with the 'old' (pro52) lp filter, try it with the ladder x3 and a suitable amount of filter saturation

Going to try this one out myself

[osiris]

I tried this myself by trying to hack the 3 Saws Oscillator and adding more using the same detune formula I used for my SE stuff. It sounded good, but the GUI got the best of me. A mess. I don't think I saved it.
An 8080 would be tops. The arp would send it over the top. (I managed to put the Koyahashi (?) arp module in and it worked (sort of).

[MFXxx]

Going to have a play with Alex's JJSaw for sure (see what I did there..)

Now need to wait for NI sale...
Great open work, really interesting to see what's involved under the reaktor hood. The demos lovely btw.

[jdnz]

The demos lovely btw.

I implemented stereo panorama in the 'detune' oscs over the weekend (since I'm pretty sure the 8000 did that) - previously it relied on the chorus to get any 'width', now it sounds even better

also discovered that 4x ladderx3 filters and 4x SVx3S consumes quite a lot of cpu (for the dual layer/stereo version)

[djshire]

Sounds as good as the real thing! Which oddly enough I own....

[BDeep]

The demos lovely btw.

I implemented stereo panorama in the 'detune' oscs over the weekend (since I'm pretty sure the 8000 did that) - previously it relied on the chorus to get any 'width', now it sounds even better

also discovered that 4x ladderx3 filters and 4x SVx3S consumes quite a lot of cpu (for the dual layer/stereo version)

That's what I had in mind as well. Care to share the stereo supersaw?
Btw, I don't think the JP had a stereo oscillator, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea

[osiris]

I think that's what I did in SE. I had main oscillators center and 3 panned hard left and 3 panned hard right, with those 6 on the 'mix' section. Sounded much better that way than piling all 7 into center field.
(even though it was a mono input)

[jdnz]

That's what I had in mind as well. Care to share the stereo supersaw?

still very much a work in progress - as well as stereo this has got the original pro52 lp filter, but with a 2nd stage HP filter (ala juno etc), and I've added a sub-osc on the primary osc.

Currently trying a few zero delay moog ladder models (for bot the lp and hp) - makes the sound a lot less bright/digital but also a considerable cost in cpu load!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Pbcuh ... sp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Pbcuh ... sp=sharing

[Ingonator]

Currently trying a few zero delay moog ladder models (for bot the lp and hp) - makes the sound a lot less bright/digital but also a considerable cost in cpu load!

You could have a look here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=387662

Besides using the Monark filter i just created a version using the Ladder x3 filter in Reaaktor that is based on Core modules too:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... er%201.ens

Only the Supersaw modules are from JP-4c, the rest or other modules.

BTW that Supersaw module from Alex sounds awesome IMO.


Will have a look at you ensembles too. The idea of the stereo spread sounds interesting. Maybe will test your macro in my own ensemble too.


Ingo

[BDeep]

That's what I had in mind as well. Care to share the stereo supersaw?

still very much a work in progress - as well as stereo this has got the original pro52 lp filter, but with a 2nd stage HP filter (ala juno etc), and I've added a sub-osc on the primary osc.

Currently trying a few zero delay moog ladder models (for bot the lp and hp) - makes the sound a lot less bright/digital but also a considerable cost in cpu load!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Pbcuh ... sp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Pbcuh ... sp=sharing

Thanks! Looking forward to try it out when I get home this evening.
Are you coding the zero delay feedback fiters yourself in Core?

[Ingonator]

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Thanks! Looking forward to try it out when I get home this evening.
Are you coding the zero delay feedback fiters yourself in Core?[/quote]

Just asked this to myself. AFAIK the Monark filter which i currently use was the only one but i could be wrong.

The Core based filters in Reaktor (e.g. "Ladder 3x") seem to use a quite higher CPU load than the "standard" filters too but ifound nothing in their structure tha refers to 0df filters.


Ingo

[jdnz]

Are you coding the zero delay feedback fiters yourself in Core?

I wish I was that clever!! No just using some of the ones uploaded on the NI forum and on NIReaktor.com etc

version with a few of the various filters (and with vcf env routing to the HP as well as LP)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Pbcuh ... sp=sharing

[Ingonator]

Hi,

i tried to use you multi-filter with my own ensemble (that one with the Supersaw and the Monark filter).

Sound wise those filters are not bad but I could not get really close to the Monark filter with those.

I gues that the high CPU load of the Monark filter must have a reason and they were not just too stupid to make it more CPU efficient...

Anyway the Monark filter module also includes the amplifier section and maybe some "tricks" are implemented there too. As the module is protected i could only guess at the moment.

I have also checked with your ensemble to be sure that i did not implement it wrong.

For comparing the filters I am currently building two more simple test ensembles with the most important features. One with Monark and another for the other filters. Maybe i'll also combine both in one using a switch.


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Concerning the Stereo Supersaw i found that at high amounts the Superssaw does not seem to Sound like a proper Supersaw anymore but more like a 3 Osc synth played trough a Chorus (if that makes any sense to you...).

I found a similar Problem when using a Chorus with a highly detuned Supersaw.

In my Supersaw/Monark Approach i used two detunable Supersaw oscillators now which could be quite interesting, even if they "just" detuned by exactly one octave. This could act like a "Supersaw Sub-Osc".


Ingo

[Ingonator]

version with a few of the various filters (and with vcf env routing to the HP as well as LP)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Pbcuh ... sp=sharing

Hi,

based on the Moog filter included with your Ensemble i creted a version of my Supersaw/Monark Ensemble which uses that Moog filter instead the Monark one.

Here is the download:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 20MkII.ens

This is a screenshot of the GUI:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... d%2022.png

The only module from JP-4c is the Supersaw macro.
I also tried to adjust the few presets i had for my Ensemble yet.

The CPU use of the corresponding Monark filter Ensemble is around 2.5 times the amount of this this one. The Monark filter is a multimode filter (LP4 = Minimoog, LP2, LP1, BP)


Ingo

[BDeep]

Hi Ingo, Thanks, but there are still some elements of Monark left in the esemble I think, just tried to load it and it tells me I don't have the license installed. It let's me run the esemble in demo mode though.