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VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:57 pm

I had to laugh at the subject.
Every Monkey and his dog knows nothing is going to touch the iPad for the foreseeable future and the RT was predicted to bomb from the start.

If you really have to ask why.......pfft, get your head out of your butt.
One word.....Apps.
Apple are leagues ahead of everyone in this respect.
You may have the best piece of hardware since grease for wheels was invented but its just a brick without the software to run on it.

Its only the Surface RT thats being price reduced, why?
For the n00bs, this has an arm processor, you cant run your existing software on it and there are f**k all apps for it.

ps Im a proud Apple hater

u_f_o · Post by **u_f_o** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:59 pm

about the new surface.. it all depends when/if music dev's jump onboard eh? cakewalk already did.. i don't know how successful that is.

also, perhaps the next generation ipad will also run full osx..?

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:07 pm

fmr wrote:
robojam wrote:Well Apple isn't going away anytime soon, that's for sure.

If you want a good idea of how well each of them is really doing, look at the market confidence in them over the past 2 years in terms of their stock prices.

Both have shown growth, but with Apple having the higher rate of growth and MS having the higher level of volatility.
Really? Stock market is your best argument? What next? Rating Agencies?

Rating agencies don't rate corporations in a way that would be a good leading indicator of performance.

And it wasn't an argument, it was a suggestion for how to determine the likely future prospects of the two companies based on what has historically been shown to be a good indicator. Well, certainly a better indicator than the half formed opinions on music forums based only on personal opionion of a snapshot in time.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:09 pm

u_f_o wrote:about the new surface.. it all depends when/if music dev's jump onboard eh? cakewalk already did.. i don't know how successful that is.

also, perhaps the next generation ipad will also run full osx..?

On board of what? It runs Windows, therefore, all music dev's are already on board.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:15 pm

robojam wrote:... it was a suggestion for how to determine the likely future prospects of the two companies based on what has historically been shown to be a good indicator. Well, certainly a better indicator than the half formed opinions on music forums based only on personal opionion of a snapshot in time.

Certainly a good indicator

. That's why the events in 2008 f***ed the world economy up to today. May I remind you that the companies the went bakrupt were classified as triple AAA one month before? Stock market?

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:15 pm

fmr wrote:
u_f_o wrote:about the new surface.. it all depends when/if music dev's jump onboard eh? cakewalk already did.. i don't know how successful that is.

also, perhaps the next generation ipad will also run full osx..?
On board of what? It runs Windows, therefore, all music dev's are already on board.

The cheaper one runs Windows RT, which will not run traditional Windows applications

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:19 pm

fmr wrote:
robojam wrote:... it was a suggestion for how to determine the likely future prospects of the two companies based on what has historically been shown to be a good indicator. Well, certainly a better indicator than the half formed opinions on music forums based only on personal opionion of a snapshot in time.
Certainly a good indicator . That's why the events in 2008 f***ed the world economy up to today. May I remind you that the companies the went bakrupt were classified as triple AAA one month before? Stock market?

You might want to actually read people's posts before you comment on them:

robojam wrote:The only thing that will really impact either of them significantly in the short term would be some kind of economic shock

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:20 pm

robojam wrote:
fmr wrote:
u_f_o wrote:about the new surface.. it all depends when/if music dev's jump onboard eh? cakewalk already did.. i don't know how successful that is.

also, perhaps the next generation ipad will also run full osx..?
On board of what? It runs Windows, therefore, all music dev's are already on board.
The cheaper one runs Windows RT, which will not run traditional Windows applications

There's not a "cheaper" one. There is Surface and Surface PRO. The PRO is the one really innovative - the other is a mere "me too" pad crap, like all "pads". Oh, and if Apple launches an iPad capable of running OS X (which is a really remote possibility) it would be something outrageously expensive and crippled, as usual.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:22 pm

robojam wrote: You might want to actually read people's posts before you comment on them:
robojam wrote:The only thing that will really impact either of them significantly in the short term would be some kind of economic shock

You mean like some stock market speculative manoeuvers?

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:25 pm

fmr wrote:
robojam wrote:The cheaper one runs Windows RT, which will not run traditional Windows applications
There's not a "cheaper" one. There is Surface and Surface PRO. The PRO is the one really innovative - the other is a mere "me too" pad crap, like all "pads".

So one costing $349 is not cheaper than one costing $899? You might want to brush up on your math.

The cheaper one is the one that MS is comparing with the iPad in their TV commercials for Surface, with no mention of the other one.

A quick Google search didn't find any numbers, but a ton of articles about low sales for Surface Pro. It might be innovative, but that doesn't help you sell products when you're the last one to market with that product.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:28 pm

fmr wrote:
robojam wrote: You might want to actually read people's posts before you comment on them:
robojam wrote:The only thing that will really impact either of them significantly in the short term would be some kind of economic shock
You mean like some stock market speculative manoeuvers?

"Speculative manoeuvers"? That is essentially what the stock market is all day long every day. It affects opening and closing price, not the long term prospects of a company.

You think that companies rise and fall overnight on the strength of speculation in trading? Add economics to math as an area where you need to brush up on your skills.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:28 pm

What is hurting Apple in this arena is not MS but Google. Google has given away Android and a huge array of hardware people have jumped all over it in the last 7 years. Market share in phones and pads has been ceded by Apple to the Android Collective - all your suckers are belong to us. MS - bearing in mind that Gates has been trying to promote touchscreen pad style devices since the turn of the century - is late to this party and is currently not making much inroads. They may in time but Google's freebie Linux platform is hurting anyone who wants to make money selling OS/app packages.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:30 pm

robojam wrote:
fmr wrote:
robojam wrote:The cheaper one runs Windows RT, which will not run traditional Windows applications
There's not a "cheaper" one. There is Surface and Surface PRO. The PRO is the one really innovative - the other is a mere "me too" pad crap, like all "pads".
So one costing $349 is not cheaper than one costing $899? You might want to brush up on your math.

The cheaper one is the one that MS is comparing with the iPad in their TV commercials for Surface, with no mention of the other one.

A quick Google search didn't find any numbers, but a ton of articles about low sales for Surface Pro. It might be innovative, but that doesn't help you sell products when you're the last one to market with that product.

MS is comparing the Surface with the iPad because that's the one to be compared. There's no comparison between an iPad and a Surface Pro, because the later is a REAL computer, running a REAL OS. So, if some, it would have to be compared with the Macbooks.
The problems faced by Surface Pro is that, at the price tag it's in, there's a tough competition from Asus and others, with similar or even better products, costing more or less the same, or just a little more. It may hurt MS, but certainly doesn't hurt Windows nor the users. And it certainly hurts the pad territory, because, IMO, if a user is given the option to choose a real computer that doubles as a pad for the same price or just a small amount more, the choice is easy (but that's just IMO, of course).

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:31 pm

egbert wrote:What is hurting Apple in this arena is not MS but Google. Google has given away Android and a huge array of hardware people have jumped all over it in the last 7 years. Market share in phones and pads has been ceded by Apple to the Android Collective - all your suckers are belong to us. MS - bearing in mind that Gates has been trying to promote touchscreen pad style devices since the turn of the century - is late to this party and is currently not making much inroads. They may in time but Google's freebie Linux platform is hurting anyone who wants to make money selling OS/app packages.

I agree with that. I think Google is far more of a competitor to Apple than Microsoft is.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:33 pm

fmr wrote:
u_f_o wrote:about the new surface.. it all depends when/if music dev's jump onboard eh? cakewalk already did.. i don't know how successful that is.

also, perhaps the next generation ipad will also run full osx..?
On board of what? It runs Windows, therefore, all music dev's are already on board.

Right. I think MS may have made a booboo in calling their Windows and non-Windows based systems 'Surface' -- it is confusing for consumers.

The Surface Pro is essentially a Windows based PC in a tablet form. That is a strong concept if they can get prices lower which likely will happen as SoC's continue to shrink in size.

Right now it is overpriced though.. I think it is at least.

Surface 2013: good bye iPad?