KVR Audio

beely · Post by **beely** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:19 pm

Kees49 wrote:I think FM8 sounds a bit thin compared to a DX7II. The DX7II has more 'body'.

Most likely this is down to the output convertors, which on the real hardware aren't nearly as good as most of the convertors in audio interfaces we are all using nowadays - making the output of the keyboard a little more "chunky" and lofi, less top end and a bit more of a defocused quality - so if you want the software to get there, add a little extra processing, maybe a little high end roll off, and a touch of very subtle compression and distortion through whatever flavour-fiers you prefer, in conjunction with the various simulated "old" flavour features in FM8 itself.

paladium · Post by **paladium** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:20 pm

checkout imageline sytrus , it goes far beyond what a dx7II could do and reads
sysex banks , as far as the hardware dx line goes , the older dx'es mostly sounded more interesting (7, dx100 ,dx5) due to the 14 bit output wich gave them
more growl , the later ones were a bit to clean sounding but had more waves besides sinewave based operators

PietW. · Post by **PietW.** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:46 pm

Wait of the new FM-Synth from Tone2.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:13 pm

beely wrote:
Kees49 wrote:I think FM8 sounds a bit thin compared to a DX7II. The DX7II has more 'body'.
Most likely this is down to the output convertors, which on the real hardware aren't nearly as good as most of the convertors in audio interfaces we are all using nowadays - making the output of the keyboard a little more "chunky" and lofi, less top end and a bit more of a defocused quality - so if you want the software to get there, add a little extra processing, maybe a little high end roll off, and a touch of very subtle compression and distortion through whatever flavour-fiers you prefer, in conjunction with the various simulated "old" flavour features in FM8 itself.

Or go find a really cheap audio interface.

Ghostwave · Post by **Ghostwave** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:21 pm

PietW. wrote:Wait of the new FM-Synth from Tone2.

I don't know much about the DX7 but Nemesis sounds really nice, believe me.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:07 pm

I've got a dx7 mkI, an SY77 and TG77 and still can appreciate FM8.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:17 pm

Karten wrote:I don't know much about the DX7

The OP want a DX7II VSTI emulation.

Ghostwave · Post by **Ghostwave** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:47 pm

Numanoid wrote:
Karten wrote:I don't know much about the DX7
The OP want a DX7II VSTI emulation.

Or the DX7II either. As it's been said, there is no exact emulation of the DX7II at the moment. Maybe he'll find what he wants in Nemesis.
Since I'm working on the factory bank, I'll do some research and, when I'm allowed to speak about Nemesis, I'll be able to write what I found out.

PietW. · Post by **PietW.** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:47 pm

Ingonator wrote:Isn't the hardware of the DX7II different to the original DX7 and also the sound a bit different?

found this about it:
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Keys-S ... d-p/662481
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... -7-ii.html

EvilDragon wrote:That's in the ear of the beholder and as subjective as it can be. Just check out Lotuzia's soundbanks and see what FM8 is capable of.
Lotuzia's "Gloss Spells" bank is indeed awesome.

FM8 got many features that were not included with the DX7.

Ingo

I do not think you can make a Yamaha DX-7 emulation better than the FM8.

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:28 pm

http://www1.keyboards.de/magazine/m0404/404022wp.html

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:36 pm

By the way, what does the 7 actually mean?

DX7 is a 16 bit 6 operator FM synth, it got 6 LFO settings, it can hold 32 patches, ships with 61 keys

Where does the 7 come from?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:38 pm

It's a lucky number.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:45 pm

electro wrote:http://www1.keyboards.de/magazine/m0404/404022wp.html

Nice site, even though the word choice is hardly scientific, but rather wallows in the usual esoteric, unmeaning stuff like "sounding plastic" or "lacks the liveliness". I wished one day someone would come along who's able to explain me what exactly all that means.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:48 pm

chk071 wrote:"lacks the liveliness"

That means it stays in tune

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:50 pm

PietW. wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Isn't the hardware of the DX7II different to the original DX7 and also the sound a bit different?

found this about it:
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Keys-S ... d-p/662481
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... -7-ii.html

EvilDragon wrote:That's in the ear of the beholder and as subjective as it can be. Just check out Lotuzia's soundbanks and see what FM8 is capable of.
Lotuzia's "Gloss Spells" bank is indeed awesome.

FM8 got many features that were not included with the DX7.

Ingo
I do not think you can make a Yamaha DX-7 emulation better than the FM8.

Thanks a lot Mr Dragon and Ingo

Nori did an awsome soundbank for the FM8, also on our site ( and did some presets for the Yamaha Hw units, as I did some )

Well, I still have a Dx7IID, a TX802 and a TG77 ( Xpander of the SY ), and the closest in the sound, atm, and ime, is certainly NI FM8. Not only does it have the exact same parameters set, but the import will also get you the closest to the Original Dx patches. Sytrus is pretty capable as well, and can import sysex, as Rhino, but you'll find out soon that the imported patches have few to do with the original patches.

Then the FM8 gives MORE than the original machines, wich I tried to exploit to make the Gloss Spells soundset. Much MORE. A real pleasure to program for all those who enjoy FM synthesis.

It doesnt mean that different DX7 HW series, and FM8 will sound strictly identical, as, as many people reported in this thread, at least the DACs were different. Not only the DACs ime, but the whole output circuitry ( I had some FM7 modules that are famous for their busty sound, at the price of the worst S/N ratio I've ever heard in an HW synth, when the TX816 modules were much less noisy, but identical structure wise )

All I can say. There are a lot of cool FM synths, like RP Blue, or Toxic. But to get near the original DX sound .... possible choices narrow a lot.

Just my 0.002

LtZ

Yamaha DX7II VSTi