heard of who?vurt wrote:publicity.Tricky-Loops wrote:Of course it's legal - the question is what SENSE does it make FOR THE ARTIST (not for the lawyer, every lawyer is pleased about as many paying clients as possible!)Ch00rD wrote:Yes indeed, asking a court for a declaratory judgment is perfectly legal, also as a defensive strategy.
Concretely, how much money can the artist save with this "preemptive strike" compared to being sued by the Gaye family (given that the Gaye family would have sued him in any case)?
id never heard of him till now
Honestly...You Can't Make This Up!!!
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 2488 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from Sydney, Australia
Sure but in Germany the court would laugh at a case like this and sent you back to dreamland. In the US they take cases like these seriously.Tricky-Loops wrote:Lawyers in Germany aren't poor, either. They have the biggest cars and houses...dalor wrote:Only possible in America, the land where lawyers run free in the wild and live in harmony with super rich unicorns.
But if I would sue someone, I'd do it in the USA - such big sums of money for compensation you won't get in Germany.
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- KVRAF
- 14740 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
a) I never really encountered a "lawyer" in Germany that has the biggest cars and house. Maybe I consulted the wrong people.dalor wrote:Sure but in Germany the court would laugh at a case like this and sent you back to dreamland. In the US they take cases like these seriously.Tricky-Loops wrote:Lawyers in Germany aren't poor, either. They have the biggest cars and houses...dalor wrote:Only possible in America, the land where lawyers run free in the wild and live in harmony with super rich unicorns.
But if I would sue someone, I'd do it in the USA - such big sums of money for compensation you won't get in Germany.
b) Germany DOES take the topic "copyright infringement" very seriously! Especially if there are big companies behind it. Gaye was Motown and Sony/Columbia Records (according to Wikipedia), Thike and Williams with Star Track Entertainment, which belongs to the Universal Media Group.
These companies usually don't hesitate to sue people if they pulled crap (i.e. Copyright Infringement). But... that doesn't mean that this will be done in public - they could do handshaking and "exchanges" in the background in return.
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- Banned
- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
After all my experiences I wouldn't trust any lawyer. Most of them don't care about other people. Money is all they need. Maybe it's different in Berlin, I don't know. But not where I lived (around Munich & south of it). I wouldn't say anything against them if I wouldn't have experienced their greed.Compyfox wrote:a) I never really encountered a "lawyer" in Germany that has the biggest cars and house. Maybe I consulted the wrong people.dalor wrote:Sure but in Germany the court would laugh at a case like this and sent you back to dreamland. In the US they take cases like these seriously.Tricky-Loops wrote:Lawyers in Germany aren't poor, either. They have the biggest cars and houses...dalor wrote:Only possible in America, the land where lawyers run free in the wild and live in harmony with super rich unicorns.
But if I would sue someone, I'd do it in the USA - such big sums of money for compensation you won't get in Germany.
That's why I do EVERYTHING to avoid such cases (because I don't want to go to a lawyer) - I would NEVER cover/remix/imitate any song without clearance in advance!
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- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
song is crap. the girls are hot.. so full of blood.. 
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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- Banned
- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
That's the most important rule in the pop biz: With girls you can sell everything!murnau wrote:song is crap. the girls are hot.
But not with these farmer girls from Waldkraiburg:
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- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
haha.. Mördan is back?
what the hell this guy is doing? it's like a horror crash. i want to look elsewhere but i can't!
what the hell this guy is doing? it's like a horror crash. i want to look elsewhere but i can't!
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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- Banned
- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
He and his nephew made an album "Mördan for President" and they sold Mördan t-shirts but I guess the success was even more minimal than their music, looks like he has left the music biz now...murnau wrote:haha.. Mördan is back?
what the hell this guy is doing? it's like a horror crash. i want to look elsewhere but i can't!
I prefer Rebecca Black, anyway, at least she looks better...
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- KVRAF
- 5817 posts since 8 May, 2008 from ssssskipping ......... I left you there
They were never out of ammunition, really.tapper mike wrote:The Gaye family now has more ammunition to go after Thicke with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marvin_Gaye
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- KVRAF
- 20917 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
A beat can't be copyrighted, only a melody with harmony can.awol9000 wrote:I don't know how Blurred lines DOESN"T infringe. The beat is exactly the same as Gayes.
I think clearance only comes in to effect when a sound recording is actually sampled. Given what Tony Maserati recently said on Pensado's Place about mixing that record, I don't think samples (besides possibly single hit drum/instrument samples) were used.Come on Music label - get the clearance before release!
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- KVRAF
- 20917 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
To me, it sounds like a mash up of Marvin Gaye and Bell Biv DeVoe's "Poison". "That girl is Blurred Lines..."NER wrote:How has this become respectable? If they wanted to make a song that sounds just like that Marvin Gaye song, they should have just done a cover.
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- KVRAF
- 20917 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Piratenpartei Deutschland?Compyfox wrote:Germany DOES take the topic "copyright infringement" very seriously!
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
Exactly. You only violate the copyright of a song by copying its melody and harmony, and/or lyrics. Rhythm is not covered by copyright. Which points out the absurdity of the fine line between a violation and a non-violation. In the end, these things have to be litigated and ruled on a case by case basis, because it is somewhat subjective.Uncle E wrote:A beat can't be copyrighted, only a melody with harmony can.awol9000 wrote:I don't know how Blurred lines DOESN"T infringe. The beat is exactly the same as Gayes.
I think clearance only comes in to effect when a sound recording is actually sampled. Given what Tony Maserati recently said on Pensado's Place about mixing that record, I don't think samples (besides possibly single hit drum/instrument samples) were used.Come on Music label - get the clearance before release!
None of this has anything to do with clearing samples. That is a totally different concept, with its own set of rules and restrictions.
Having compared the two tracks, its pretty obvious that the Robin Thicke track is a blatant rip-off of the Marvin Gaye track, albeit a legal rip-off. It seems like a dick move to me, and I can't understand why he didn't just do a cover of the original song instead of stealing its very essence.
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