KVR Audio

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:27 pm

hollo wrote:I was completed the mini bank for Spire.

It's more on the softer, classical/film style,
i hope there will be a nice addition to the
already nice collection of modern presets.
There is 17 presets in the bank.

http://www.mediafire.com/?r5kye0d8nbm5u

SpireHolloBank.sbf
Hollo_Spirebank_demo.wav
Hollo Spirebank demo.mp3

In the audio only totally naked (14) presets, no processing at all.

I love the overall sound, the big, clean low end, and the fine crispy highs.
Congrats for the designers and the original sound designers too!

( a working sustain pedal could come handy )

Cheers,
Joseph

Sweet! Nice work.

Need to go home and play with them.

Thank you.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:36 pm

hollo wrote:In the audio only totally naked (14) presets, no processing at all.

"No processing at all"... only a bit reverb

Anyway, sounds nice and something for the ambient/soundscapes folder of Spire.

hollo · Post by **hollo** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:11 pm

No processing means, no external processing only Spire engine.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:18 pm

hollo wrote:No processing means, no external processing only Spire engine.

you dont need to explain it joseph, it's clear that internal fx of the synthengine sculpt the sounds in an important way. everybody who think the presets for ambient are raw (in a way that you dont use the spire fx) can't be taken serious.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:41 pm

as much as i like spire, i can barely use it...using ONE pad from spire (logic X, 10.8.4) sometimes slows everything to a crawl... ugh. hopefully, they'll get the cpu issues sorted out. it's a great-sounding synth; i own it, and i want to USE it...!

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm

fisherKing wrote:using ONE pad from spire (logic X, 10.8.4) sometimes slows everything to a crawl... ugh. hopefully, they'll get the cpu issues sorted out.!

...or buy yourself a Windows PC

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:51 pm

5 instances on MuLab (pc) going approx 30%. I'm sure it will get better but probably never as much as Sylenth or Helix.
Helix is a working miracle.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:24 pm

Numanoid wrote:
fisherKing wrote:using ONE pad from spire (logic X, 10.8.4) sometimes slows everything to a crawl... ugh. hopefully, they'll get the cpu issues sorted out.!
...or buy yourself a Windows PC

no, it's ok, i don't want to give up music-making time to deal with pc issues...

(plus i'm really loving logic X...)

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:43 pm

fisherKing wrote:
Numanoid wrote:
fisherKing wrote:using ONE pad from spire (logic X, 10.8.4) sometimes slows everything to a crawl... ugh. hopefully, they'll get the cpu issues sorted out.!
...or buy yourself a Windows PC
no, it's ok, i don't want to give up music-making time to deal with pc issues... (plus i'm really loving logic X...)

It's OK, but don't blame Spire for the poor performance of your machine.
Latest soft synths (DIVA, Xils, Tone 2, etc.) are very power demanding, and need a powerful machine. It's a matter of option.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:46 pm

a logic user who needs 3rd party virtual synths? wow!

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:34 pm

fmr wrote:
fisherKing wrote:
Numanoid wrote:
fisherKing wrote:using ONE pad from spire (logic X, 10.8.4) sometimes slows everything to a crawl... ugh. hopefully, they'll get the cpu issues sorted out.!
...or buy yourself a Windows PC
no, it's ok, i don't want to give up music-making time to deal with pc issues... (plus i'm really loving logic X...)
It's OK, but don't blame Spire for the poor performance of your machine.
Latest soft synths (DIVA, Xils, Tone 2, etc.) are very power demanding, and need a powerful machine. It's a matter of option.

seriously: i have NO problems with tone2 plugins. diva was cranky when it was first out, much better now. ALL my synth plugins run fine; ONLY spire has issues. the cpu issues on a mac are well-documented (i'm hardly the only one reporting this). am sure that will get sorted out.

murnau wrote:a logic user who needs 3rd party virtual synths? wow!

needs? no, chooses. choice is a great thing...

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:24 pm

LOL fisherking "i don't want to give up music-making time to deal with pc issues...". Good one. But Mac issues are alright to deal with for you, huh? [lacking of many plugins support included]

All operating systems have some sort of issues and OS-X is no exception. You've just been indoctrinated into believing that OS-X has less issues and that it's easier to maintain. That's just a load of rubb... and the result of great marketing for decades. "Just works", yeah right...

It just works only when a developer busts his arse to make it compatible with your OS and then is willing to update the code every time Apple decides to make their OS backwards incompatible one more time because they need more money, and people to pay for the update.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:04 pm

DuX wrote:LOL fisherking "i don't want to give up music-making time to deal with pc issues...". Good one. But Mac issues are alright to deal with for you, huh? [lacking of many plugins support included] All operating systems have some sort of issues and OS-X is no exception. You've just been indoctrinated into believing that OS-X has less issues and that it's easier to maintain. That's just a load of rubb... and the result of great marketing for decades. "Just works", yeah right... It just works only when a developer busts his arse to make it compatible with your OS and then is willing to update the code every time Apple decides to make their OS backwards incompatible one more time because they need more money, and people to pay for the update.

ah....first i thought u got the joke, but...i guess not. mac, pc...who cares? it's the MUSIC that matters. and i have all the tools i need (even if spire NEVER runs better for me...which i expect it to, as the developer is working on mac/cpu issues).

it's a non-issue (AND it's boring). whatever platform u work on, whatever daw, whatever plugins...the listener doesn't care.
the music works...or it doesn't.

woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:29 pm

hollo wrote:I was completed the mini bank for Spire.

It's more on the softer, classical/film style,
i hope there will be a nice addition to the
already nice collection of modern presets.
There is 17 presets in the bank.

http://www.mediafire.com/?r5kye0d8nbm5u

SpireHolloBank.sbf
Hollo_Spirebank_demo.wav
Hollo Spirebank demo.mp3

In the audio only totally naked (14) presets, no external processing at all.

I love the overall sound, the big, clean low end, and the fine crispy highs.
Congrats for the designers and the original sound designers too!

( a working sustain pedal could come handy )

Cheers,
Joseph

Lovely music Joseph and great sounds tx

woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:53 pm

fisherKing wrote:
DuX wrote:LOL fisherking "i don't want to give up music-making time to deal with pc issues...". Good one. But Mac issues are alright to deal with for you, huh? [lacking of many plugins support included] All operating systems have some sort of issues and OS-X is no exception. You've just been indoctrinated into believing that OS-X has less issues and that it's easier to maintain. That's just a load of rubb... and the result of great marketing for decades. "Just works", yeah right... It just works only when a developer busts his arse to make it compatible with your OS and then is willing to update the code every time Apple decides to make their OS backwards incompatible one more time because they need more money, and people to pay for the update.
ah....first i thought u got the joke, but...i guess not. mac, pc...who cares? it's the MUSIC that matters. and i have all the tools i need (even if spire NEVER runs better for me...which i expect it to, as the developer is working on mac/cpu issues).

it's a non-issue (AND it's boring). whatever platform u work on, whatever daw, whatever plugins...the listener doesn't care.
the music works...or it doesn't.

TBH I wouldn't be so sure its a Mac/PC thing at all (not that its at all relevant anyway) There is no question this is a Diva esque level CPU hog, its also totally dependent on the preset you are using, some of Josephs pads were clocking at 70% on a Mac 3.33 . Thats more than a whole Protools session with tons of plugins, in fact I dont think I have ever seen it go that high.

These are exceptions of course but there is no doubt that some kind of optimization is needed, maybe a draft mode or something , I think Diva does something like this.

Also its also totally dependent on your host too, at a guess this would crap out Ableton Live very quickly as that program is not as well optimized as others.

Maybe also the AU versions are worse than VST?

I am totally surmising here of course, nobody except the developers can give us the correct answers, so any speculation on which System/DAW/OS/Chipset Spire runs better on is total speculation and pointless.

Spire Synthesizer