Which plugins add unwanted watermarks to audio?

[Examigan]

Others may simply keep it to themselves

I rest my case.

[TheKid]

I meant (for people in the USA) it's sort of like if Tone2 were Democrats, and KVR was Fox news

Oh I see what you're saying...... But since I lean towards the extreme liberal I'd rather like to think of KVR as the Daily Show and Tone 2 as Dick Cheney.........

You said dick...

[xNiMiNx]

From the list linked on one of the previous pages I don't know any company.

Maybe you dont know them, but one of them does have their own section on KVR.

[Teksonik]

So lets say a company.....any company....uses Watermarks. Hows does that protect them ? Does the watermark give information about serial numbers so they know which plugin was used or do cracked versions set different WM than legit versions or ? Hows does that work? Then what ? A company finds a commercial song that contains their WM.....how do they know if one of the persons who worked on that song doesn't own a legit copy of the plugin ? They have to analyze the whole song and still find the WM ?

All seems a bit futile to me.........

*Obligatory Disclaimer: I am as Anti Warez, Cracks, and Pirated Software as anybody and have never nor will never use them.*

[Teksonik]

Others may simply keep it to themselves

I rest my case.

Or others may simply not engage in such futile endeavors......I rest my case.........

[xNiMiNx]

A company finds a commercial song that contains their WM.....how do they know if one of the persons who worked on that song doesn't own a legit copy of the plugin ?

Just blame it on Steve Aoki's studio.

[fluffy_little_something]

So lets say a company.....any company....uses Watermarks. Hows does that protect them ? Does the watermark give information about serial numbers so they know which plugin was used or do cracked versions set different WM than legit versions or ? Hows does that work? Then what ? A company finds a commercial song that contains their WM.....how do they know if one of the persons who worked on that song doesn't own a legit copy of the plugin ? They have to analyze the whole song and still find the WM ?

All seems a bit futile to me.........

*Obligatory Disclaimer: I am as Anti Warez, Cracks, and Pirated Software as anybody and have never nor will never use them.*

That is what I don't understand, either. I don't assume Tone2 search every song out there for their watermarks. And when you use a sound that doesn't have their watermark, how will they prove I used their synths to make the sound?
Or, say, they find songs with the same watermark sounds by 5 different artists. Why can't I lend my computer to a friend of mine, or use it in a studio computer that several artists use?

[Examigan]

*Obligatory Disclaimer: I am as Anti Warez, Cracks, and Pirated Software as anybody and have never nor will never use them.*

[Teksonik]

That is what I don't understand, either. I don't assume Tone2 search every song out there for their watermarks. And when you use a sound that doesn't have their watermark, how will they prove I used their synths to make the sound?
Or, say, they find songs with the same watermark sounds by 5 different artists. Why can't I lend my computer to a friend of mine, or use it in a studio computer that several artists use?

That's why it all seems so futile to me.......Then what, you find your WM in a song do you break out the high priced Lawyers and go after someone who might sell a few copies of their song on the internet before their intellectual property is stolen......

Now that I think of it...is there any way to copy protect the music that is created with copy protected plugins ? (See disclaimer above, applies to bootleg music as well)

EDIT: Time for this old boy to call it a night.....hopefully the thread will remain open till the morning.....

[xNiMiNx]

Now that I think of it...is there any way to copy protect the music that is created with copy protected plugins ?

Thats where i think the problem is if watermarking becomes the norm.

So company buys the software i linked earlier. Users selling music online and also buys the software, and runs their music through it to protect it. Then lets say the music is on some internet radio, and they dont want their stuff being ripped and reposted, so they run their radio songs through the same software.

Theres a song with 3x watermarks? What if they use 10-20 different sample librarys all with their own watermarks? Eventually, its going to be audible, no? That link says, as with all tech, theres flaws, and theres cases where it will be audible, and thats just with 1 watermark.

[robotmonkey]

Here we go again with the Tone2 bashing, whatever..

First, they deserve it in full. And second, they have no-one than themselves to blame for all the bad rep they have. If you insist doing some shady shit in the name of CP, you can only blame yourself if all kind of stories get out. Honestly, in all those years I have come upon the name Tone2, it has always been in conjunction with some shady CP tactics and strange rumors. The end result - I will never buy a Tone2 product. I will not even want to try one.

[SODDI]

The watermarking is not in the audio - the watermarking is in whatever proprietary sample format that they use so that some enterprising individual doesn't come along, digitally copy those samples and sell them in a sample collection. Meaning that Tone2's Moog samples are traceable - not the Moog Bass audio that the samples make.

And I am definitely no fan of Tone2, have just been subjected to their drive-by demolitionware masquerading as a giveaway a week or so ago.

[sqigls]

If you've ever wanted to know what KVR sounds like?...
http://www.spectraselecta.com/misc/KVR.mp3

[EnGee]

This is what I understood also. The watermarking is in the samples not in the generated audio so they can trace the samples of their software, not the generated audio from their synths (or samples).

Let's suppose it is in the generated audio somewhere in the very high frequency or very low frequency that we can't hear. Many of us would use EQ to cut the high and the low. So, where the watermarking would stay?!

I have nothing against Tone2. They are just trying to protect their software the same like other developers (it doesn't mean I agree with their methods, but I respect their decision).
Come on guys! They have freed Firebird just few days ago!! Let's play fair little bit.

[aMUSEd]

The watermarking is not in the audio - the watermarking is in whatever proprietary sample format that they use so that some enterprising individual doesn't come along, digitally copy those samples and sell them in a sample collection. Meaning that Tone2's Moog samples are traceable - not the Moog Bass audio that the samples make.

Tone2 make synths and effects, they don't use samples.