How to get more sustain out of an Amp Sim?

[Teksonik]

Because without hearing the J-Station I don't know what you mean by long sustain.

If you don't know what sustain is.....why are you in this thread ? Do you play guitar ?

You are making blank a statement "amp sims don't have sustain".

Exactly, and since it's impossible to prove a negative it's incumbent upon you to prove they do........

Why are you so against posting a sound example what you're after?

Why are you so obsessed with an audio file ? Post a file of you playing guitar thru a vst Amp Sim that shows good sustain.....

I can sure do the amp sim if you post a DI file and you run it through the J-Station I run it through an amp sim. Deal?

I think you're confused. To me Sustain isn't something you just slap on an audio file like you would Reverb. You "play" the sustain just like you play the dynamics of your amp.....

The original poster is the one who wants to run a recoding thru effects:

I do want to point out that I am NOT playing a real guitar, but actually using a DI recording.

He's the one you should be pestering for audio examples.........I AM playing a real guitar........

[Tubeman]

Wow, aren't you hostile. Just from someone asking a simple audio example of a hardware unit. I'll make sure not to "pester" you again.

[Teksonik]

Wow, aren't you hostile. Just from someone asking a simple audio example of a hardware unit. I'll make sure not to "pester" you again.

No hostility just annoyance over your repeated insistence on an audio example that will do you no good. Like I said Sustain is a pretty simple concept. If you can help the OP by getting other vst amp sims to produce sustain then by all means do so. I'd be interested in the results. I can't help because I can't get acceptable sustain from any the of the vst amp sims I own......and I've tried quite a bit.....

[hibidy]

Hug and make up you guys, that's an order.

[Teksonik]

Hug and make up you guys, that's an order.

I didn't know we were fighting..........

Back on topic.....have you been able to get sustain out of AT3 ? I can't seem to get anything near what's coming out of the J Station....and I've tried...compressors etc...maybe someone could post a patch using AT Metal. Vst Amp sims just seem like their sound is tacked on top of the signal rather than being part of it....which is strange because the J Station is just a software Amp Sim in a dedicated box...can't explain why there is such a difference......

[kvaca]

Back on topic.....have you been able to get sustain out of AT3 ? I can't seem to get anything near what's coming out of the J Station....and I've tried...compressors etc...maybe someone could post a patch using AT Metal. Vst Amp sims just seem like their sound is tacked on top of the signal rather than being part of it....which is strange because the J Station is just a software Amp Sim in a dedicated box...can't explain why there is such a difference......

theres only small differnce between sustain in various amspsims-including Johnson J station- but, theres big diffrence between sustain in guitars
hint for guitar players using ampsims and suffering from short sustain - go get Fernandez with sustainiac and enjoy infinite sustain no matter what ampsim you are using

[hibidy]

I think there is some confusion here. Some amp sims have more "sustain" than others but I don't have a quantifiable this vs that. The OP said the ENGL has more sustain than another, I'm assuming they are using the same guitar.

So the some guitars sustain more thing really isn't what we are talking about.

[Tubeman]

The Engl has more distortion. Simple.

[kvaca]

The Engl has more distortion. Simple.

...same as J Station...and thats the confusion hibidy is talking about, because some are discussing longer sustain here but actually its all about more distortion...sustain comes primarily from guitar

So the some guitars sustain more thing really isn't what we are talking about.

OK, Im sorry for that OT but I still think its useful info, if only for people playing real guitar and not samples

[Tubeman]

...same as J Station...and thats the confusion hibidy is talking about, because some are discussing longer sustain here but actually its all about more distortion...sustain comes primarily from guitar

I agree totally with this and add that also the player can affect the sustain.

[gavriloP]

Playing technique, compression, overdrive/distortion, guitar AND playing with a real amp close to feedback ALL help with getting more sustain.

Compression, pickups and OD give you more sustain by making the quiet parts of your notes louder, then again guitar, playing technique (that slight vibrato which is so good for lead guitarist poses ) and loud amp give you more sustain by creating "more" sound. Combine all this and you can hold your notes till the cows come home and then some.


At least that is how I see it.

EDIT: I always think about this when I think about sustain:

[hibidy]

The Engl has more distortion. Simple.

...same as J Station...and thats the confusion hibidy is talking about, because some are discussing longer sustain here but actually its all about more distortion...sustain comes primarily from guitar

So the some guitars sustain more thing really isn't what we are talking about.

OK, Im sorry for that OT but I still think its useful info, if only for people playing real guitar and not samples

Awwww, don't take it the wrong way! I'm just saying I know of the lack of "sustain" from a sim. I totally understand.

[hibidy]

...same as J Station...and thats the confusion hibidy is talking about, because some are discussing longer sustain here but actually its all about more distortion...sustain comes primarily from guitar

I agree totally with this and add that also the player can affect the sustain.

Yes, BUT I totally lately am feeling the lack of "sustain" myself. I think they differ, quite a bit to be honest.

I'm LOVE to take my axe down to GC and plug into a........er..........they have crap most of the time I don't know how to do a comparison

OFF TOPIC: I want an axefx.

[radio12]

I gave my Johnson to a student 10 years ago, but i remember a very good clean sound maybe made with a clever internal compression setting, much better than the pod, but the ampsimulation was always very thin sounding ( sounds like a raped bumblebee someone said).
In my opinion the interaction between strings and loudspeakers is very important for a good sustain, one of the reasons why guitarplayers like to play loud. This is hard to simulate because it is not a constant factor someone told me.
A compressor helps a lot but can not simulate it completely. Some country guitarplayers use crazy amounts of compression before going into the amp(makes playing easier,son) For distorted sounds it helps to boost the mids of the guitar before going into the ampsim, and maybe cut the highs a bit if you play single coil pickups. But most important is how long your guitar sounds without an amp, the "natural" sustain.

[Teksonik]

theres only small differnce between sustain in various amspsims-including Johnson J station-

No, there's a huge difference in sustain between vst amp sims and the J Station here......using the same guitar.

sustain comes primarily from guitar

Same guitar...........

I agree totally with this and add that also the player can affect the sustain.

Same player...........