KVR Audio

gbles · Post by **gbles** » Thu May 27, 2004 11:37 pm

As this is turning into a Q+A for FL......

I'm an FL owner, and have been checking out some other VST step sequencers lately (namely ERA and Microtonic). Both of these have a handy 'fill' feature where you can specify a 'fill' for each step, instead of the single hit. Can FL do something similar?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri May 28, 2004 12:10 am

gbles wrote:As this is turning into a Q+A for FL......

I'm an FL owner, and have been checking out some other VST step sequencers lately (namely ERA and Microtonic). Both of these have a handy 'fill' feature where you can specify a 'fill' for each step, instead of the single hit. Can FL do something similar?

yeah if you write the fill, I mean it is still about the user writing some parts isn't it?....

M. Rossi, MbD · Post by **M. Rossi, MbD** » Fri May 28, 2004 12:35 am

Both of these have a handy 'fill' feature where you can specify a 'fill' for each step, instead of the single hit. Can FL do something similar?

If you right-click a sampler channel, there's options for Fill: each 2 steps, each 4 steps and each 8 steps.

Is this what you mean?

>v^<^^ · Post by **>v^<^^** » Fri May 28, 2004 12:43 am

ascdi wrote:mirabebe, no need to be a name caller here. the issue isn't with how accurately the automation is realized-- we know it is interpolated and sample accurate-- it is with the usability and flexibility of the UI.

if i'm automating an oscillator for fm squelch noises, for example, i want to be able to set up the grid to snap to where i want: namely, semitones. if i'm fading out a filter cutoff or an amp, i want control of the decay of that fade. i KNOW that i can draw in any shape i want, but with a spline i just draw two points and then set the slope. clearly, that is easier, faster, and tidier. then if i come back a few days later and want to make it more of an exponential decay, i can do it with one click and a drag. that's whole point of a spline... it's an abstraction.
edit-- nicer syntax!

With FL all you'd have to do is use the right-mouse button instead of the left. Right-click and drag to create straight line fades between two-points. Both methods of automation are capable of the same thing and neither is particularly easier than the other. The method you are used to is always the easier method.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Fri May 28, 2004 4:12 am

Mighty_Hero wrote:I compose solely in fl studio, and can't figure out why it's hated on so much either.

Because of too many Reason-lovers

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:31 am

you have 2 kinds of automation: event-based or rubber band. When you have to choose only 1, event-based is the way to go, because you don't just automate linear controls, but also switches.

FL will have rubber band automation as well, in the future. It will start by an internal controller plugin featuring the same envelopes as in Sytrus (meaning -automatable- rubber band automation & LFO), then probably in audio tracks as well.

i want to be able to set up the grid to snap to where i want: namely, semitones.

you can use a 'keyboard controller' channel, which is an internal controller that's able to turn keystrokes into snapped values you're after. You can also set the step size of a hardware or software (internal controllers again) so that it snaps to steps. And then you automate that controller, or keystrokes.

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Fri May 28, 2004 6:44 am

well thats grand. looks like we'll be able to control the amount of spin on individual atoms, but still not be able to loop record.

i know you're doing this out of pure spite

Carbonboy · Post by **Carbonboy** » Fri May 28, 2004 10:23 am

[quote="ATS I thank god every day in my prayers for fruityloops. I love it

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You mean thank gol.

Sensational · Post by **Sensational** » Fri May 28, 2004 11:36 am

I have used Fruity for years, I'm comfortable with the name ( I think the term Fruity bothers people who think to deep about gay tendencies). It does really make music creation very easy except the loop recording part, it's like with out the loop recording sometimes I just don't want to attmpt to record, to much stop and go. The audio I understand is very basic now, but really needs punch in and out recording and the ability to trim audio through slip editing. Other than these points it is very stable and capable. I tried Sonar but find it just to cluttered and jittery to work with. I create song within Fruity then add vocals using Sonar.

Buka · Post by **Buka** » Fri May 28, 2004 1:22 pm

i think this loop recording is very hard to implement into flp structure....isnt it gol? or else it would already be implemented.....all this difficulties originate from the fact that flp wasnt in the first place created to be a full sequencer/studio.....so some hard conceptual coding have to be broken in order to implement some simple things...
but hey thats life.....maybe in version 6.0 we will see loop recording and such implemented

thanx for your hard work anyway.

Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Fri May 28, 2004 1:30 pm

Sensational wrote:I have used Fruity for years, I'm comfortable with the name ( I think the term Fruity bothers people who think to deep about gay tendencies)

I think that's a bit ridiculous. I think it has more to do with the fact that it sounds toy-ish and goofy. Yeah, ultimately it's about the functionality of the program itself...I should know, I use it almost every day. But the fact is perception is a big part of it, and when you're on the same shelf as programs called Sonar, ProTools, Digital Performer and Reason then, yeah, "Fruity" doesn't sound quite as legit.

I've had exchanges with Gol about this and he vehemently disagrees with the notion that the name is important. But everytime I try to network with a producer or dj it always sounds like this...

"What do you use?".
"FL Studio".
"What's that?".
"It's actually the latest version of Fruityloops."
"Oh......that's cool."

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Fri May 28, 2004 1:47 pm

I've had exchanges with Gol about this and he vehemently disagrees with the notion that the name is important

The name IS important. That's why I liked FruityLoops. It sounds stupid? Yes, that's the point!

Every new music app comes up with a boring & tasteless (car-like) name, that you forgot 30min after you tried it. Wow, I just downloaded 'u-sonic' or 'pulse hyperstudio', with such cool names I'm certainly gonna make cool music, and I'll look cool.

Names you just CAN'T forget, whatever the app/game is: 'nesticle' (how cool is that for a nes emulator?), 'fastfucker', 'la pucelle tactics' (for a jap videogame)..

I didn't even know for the gay conotation (I speak french). And we mostly had problems with people who are into hip-hop, those being a bit too homophobic I think. Anyway, since it's the opposite with techno, maybe it helped as well.

Igor 4000 · Post by **Igor 4000** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:07 pm

gol wrote: Names you just CAN'T forget, whatever the app/game is: 'nesticle' (how cool is that for a nes emulator?), 'fastfucker', 'la pucelle tactics' (for a jap videogame)..

In that case I vote for "Freakylips Studio"

Mirabebe · Post by **Mirabebe** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:07 pm

welcome to the world of FL...