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[stringtapper]

In as far as jazz chord nomenclature. I've always found it explicit. A m7b5 chord is exactly that, a chord built with a minor third a 7th and a flat 5th. If I see it written in a song I may or may not omit the 5th. But I know if I were to play the 5th to play it as a flattened 5th.

But that's not the only way a m7b5 has ever been written, which is my entire point. You may have been exposed to one certain way, but there are others. For instance using the '-' to denote a minor seventh is an alternate form that is common in jazz charts. So you might see something like -7b5. The delta sign ∆ is often used in place of 'Maj' for a major seventh, so you might see EMaj7 on one sheet and E∆7 on another.

As to omitting the diminished fifth in a m7b5 chord that would be omitting an essential chord member of the chord. Yes the fifth can often be omitted when there is no alteration (P5) but when there is an alteration of a diminished or augmented fifth then it becomes essential and omitting it changes the chord.

Think about it, if you omit the b5 from a m7b5 chord then all you are really playing is a m7 chord which is a completely different sound and function (the m7b5 typically functioning as the ii chord in a minor ii-V-i [in jazz at least]).

[skipscada]

there are people that never read, such as... Stevie Wonder? Ray Charles?

Being blind doesn't mean you can't read.

[jancivil]

Yeah, I'm an idiot.

But I meant to reduce the primacy of, the reliance on the visual, by emphasis. IE., I don't think Ray Charles got his thing together in the library.

[jancivil]

"Bumping" ...

Glissando, to glide. In some contexts it is distinguished from the continuous portamento. Some colloquial equivalents are slide, sweep (referring to the 'discreet glissando' effects on guitar & harp respectively), bend, slide, or 'smear'.

The "colloquial" equivalents are actually more specific to circumstance then the generic traditional term. As a slide, a sweep/rake and a bend are quite different and rather specific.

[no]

But as I've already explained Glissando can be any of those equivalents in practice but they are quite different to one another. The terms Sweep/rake slide or bend are specific to the technique were as the term Glissando is not specific to the technique for guitarists or those who use various methods and devices on contemporary midi controllers to affect those changes.

I've never seen 'gliss' in guitar music, and I've seen quite a lot of the repertoire. In a sentence 'Do you take [] as slides in Capricho Arabe?'.

Portamento is more specific. In strings writing it's better to specify exactly what you want, and know what the player has to do to get it. Portamento has a definite target note, for instance.

Someone was asking in hosts, if it was impossible for FL to make Kontakt do a 'glide' to emulate what is probably a guitar part; and not knowing what the guitarist is doing makes us have to sort out 'glide in synthesizers means 'portamento'', as part of sorting what Kontakt will give you specifically. Moving the hand over a fretted instrument to this note and back isn't a 'portamento' function on a mono synth at all.
& the composer notating the move has to be precise.

I've never heard 'bump' in my life. You mean an anticipated chord tone I think. I just don't think the word 'bump' conveys that idea. I think it's kind of charming when you talk peculiar like that, but I would tend to tune out.

[Tricky-Loops]

"Glide" is a mixture between the terms "Glissando" and "Slide"...

[Hink]

"Glide" is a mixture between the terms "Glissando" and "Slide"...

thanx "troops"

[jancivil]

For the purposes of Kontakt's implementation, "glide" specifically means the portamento function in a synth, and it comes from that implementation in mono synths. per the manual. this is not a glissando. when you set portamento, generally you set a target going the one way, and the time it takes to get from A to B. this is what it is in strings writing; the implementation in samples is all about the target note and the setttings for the time it takes to get to the target note. glissando means your hands move along the strings (or keys); it needn't involve specific notes at all.

[tapper mike]

Go argue with http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glissando
Or Oxford
http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/78985
A slurring or sliding effect produced by a musical instrument

As it appears to be definition time and we are in the Music Theory forum.

Theory:
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.

4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory

It's not called music fact.

[Bronto Scorpio]

As a child, I learned keyboard with Bontempi score booklets, I remember they had a better method... But after some time I kicked the Bontempi booklets in the bin because I don't wanted to play "Oh Suzanna" the 100th time...

(And this damned Bontempi keyboard always sounded so worse, it made me loosing my interest in music for many years! )

I did the same! My first own keyboard was one of those crappy Bontempi thingies
I always played that one instead of my fathers keyboards from then on, even if he had some lovely stuff including an Yamaha something with a horribly noisy analog flanger (I loved the sound of the flanger as a kid)

Regarding the topic: I can't really help you much on this. I learned all the stuff simply by playing to be honest.
So I played minor scales (for example) way before I knew what minor even means, I only later learned some of the theory behind it.
I still don't have much theory knowledge but I can improvice on my keyboard and, to a lesser extent, on my guitar quite well.
I simpy learned my own little tricks about what sounds good, what to play when, how to achieve certain feelings etc that way.
I'm sure all the stuff has some theoretic explanations and names but I don't really need to know all that stuff.

I hope I could help at least a bit

Cheers
Dennis

[jancivil]

It's not called music fact.

if you're dealing with eg., Kontakt or VSL, these are actually facts. if you are working with a synth with a portamento function, it is what it is: it's hard-wired to do one thing. CC 5 hard-wired in a synth is a fact, not a theory. The manufacturers were able to come to a consensus on this. Kontakt 'glide' is there in the manual, it means that portamento such as in the synths.

& if you want the violins to perform a 'portamento', which is A to B, second note targeted, that's the word you use. The portamento in a samples library has one meaning, not more than one meaning. I restricted my remarks to that, there is no mistake, there is no intent for argumentativeness. I'm just trying to make things clear.

"it's definition time"
https://www.google.com/search?q=definit ... hannel=rcs

[stringtapper]

Go argue with http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glissando
Or Oxford
http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/78985
A slurring or sliding effect produced by a musical instrument

As it appears to be definition time and we are in the Music Theory forum.

Theory:
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.

4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory

It's not called music fact.

Applying the term "music theory" as we do to the kinds of things we're talking about in this thread is rather ill-conceived in the first place. These are really "music fundamentals." Music theory as a term has a lot of baggage and history that reaches back into the earliest writings, mostly in Latin, and is a bit disingenuous as a label for aspects of documented musical practice. Music is not a science after all and so the word theory taken in its strictest sense shouldn't really apply but alas here we are.

That doesn't mean that established principles and terminology are not valid. They are and many of them have a very long history behind them. People are free to understand things however they wish, but as in any discipline we stand on the shoulders of those who have tread the ground before us and I see no reason to not use very helpful tools that they have put forth. Learn them and then get on with the business of making music. Again, it ain't rocket surgery.

[jancivil]

'it's a theory, not a fact' - gravity is a theory and a fact...

[trimph1]

It's not called music fact.

if you're dealing with eg., Kontakt or VSL, these are actually facts. if you are working with a synth with a portamento function, it is what it is: it's hard-wired to do one thing. CC 5 hard-wired in a synth is a fact, not a theory. The manufacturers were able to come to a consensus on this. Kontakt 'glide' is there in the manual, it means that portamento such as in the synths.

& if you want the violins to perform a 'portamento', which is A to B, second note targeted, that's the word you use. The portamento in a samples library has one meaning, not more than one meaning. I restricted my remarks to that, there is no mistake, there is no intent for argumentativeness. I'm just trying to make things clear.

"it's definition time"
https://www.google.com/search?q=definit ... hannel=rcs

That is really a good definition..those things get confoosing after awhile!!

[jancivil]

It's definition time and we are in the Music Theory forum.

Theory:
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.

this is a totally bullshit definition. In the scientific community, a notion gets to be known as a theory once it's been tested and reviewed in a reputable science paper and published. 'in contrast to well-established propositions' is simply wrong. in science, a theory is a well-established and tested proposition. the theory of gravity; the theory of evolution.
Whoever wrote that was faking it, I'm sorry to break it to you. Maybe they confused 'theory' with 'hypothesis', maybe they just parroted something else being lazy and careless.

Also I don't need a dictionary to tell me what a portamento is, I know from the actual world of musical practice that it means a continuous glide that is not discrete pitches but as a bend. You tell a horn player 'portamento' they should not give you something that comes off scalar. Why do you think every implementation of 'portamento' on a synth does just that? a glissando on the other hand can be done on a piano, all white keys. In strings there can be a gliss of harmonics that resembles a portamento but there doesn't have to be a target note. Portamento, you land solidly on the second note. these are DEFINITIONS; the operative part of that word is FINITE, it's specific, it should be precise.

the dictionary is some words some person picked from some other dictionary. It might be good, it might not. It doesn't necessarily agree with the next dictionary. Why would I take that as authoritative? Why can't I argue with it? Taking some dictionary uncritically is essentially the same thing as believing the Bible. Additionally you commit the logical fallacy called appeal to authority. Why don't you like my definitions. I was really concrete. I want to offer you and everybody something you can use.

[Tricky-Loops]

As a child, I learned keyboard with Bontempi score booklets, I remember they had a better method... But after some time I kicked the Bontempi booklets in the bin because I don't wanted to play "Oh Suzanna" the 100th time...

(And this damned Bontempi keyboard always sounded so worse, it made me loosing my interest in music for many years! )

I did the same! My first own keyboard was one of those crappy Bontempi thingies
I always played that one instead of my fathers keyboards from then on, even if he had some lovely stuff including an Yamaha something with a horribly noisy analog flanger (I loved the sound of the flanger as a kid)

The only instrument of my father was the radio. He switched it on and off...

Really, I was the only part in the whole wide family with an interest in music. Even in my kinship there's nobody playing any music instrument. I was always envious of people who had musicians as parents... I couldn't afford piano lessons or a private music college, I only had my crappy keyboard...