u-he Satin or Slate VTM?

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Well, you probably still have me on MUTE, but...

TheoM wrote:Only thing is cpu usage is not friendly, with asio guard or logic safety buffer active you're talking a good 20% per instance of a sandy bridge core. So regardless of latency i'll still first try max out my UAD with studers..
Can't confirm that on my i7 920. Here one instance on a stereo bus in Win7 and C7.04 barely eats 5% ASIO on 256samples (RME).


TheoM wrote:The flange i can not get my head around quite yet, nor the delay. I'll be buying this for the straight up tape emu, but heck i have only spent 20 mins with it and 18 of those with the studio module.
Delay is actually pretty straight forward if you used something like the Roland Space Echo before.


TheoM wrote:I was about to say there is now no reason for anyone not to go ahead and buy satin which is cheaper than VTM and has hardly any latency (VTM has over 30ms!)
There's still an FR to reduce the latency with a VTM update. Though other Slate plugns have higher prio atm.


TheoM wrote:Overall though, this is an absolute VTM annihilator. Sorry Steven.
Feature wise, yes. Sound wise, I can't agree on that yet.
Two totally different beasts.


chokehold wrote:The goodies hiding behind the Service Panel (anyone remember AM|Track? 8) ) let you use it as an EQ, a saturator, dynamics tool, transient shaper... And that is just in Studio mode, completely ignoring the Flanger and Delay modes.
Haven't thought about that actually. Then again, the EQ itself is a bit broad. Though then again(!), it could be used as general channel EQ fingerprint like VCC and the likes.


chokehold wrote:Think of Satin as a tape plugin if you must... but don't think of it as a tape plugin. :shock:

Someone summed it up pretty well in here (or in the other thread) already:
SATIN is a toolbox, like Zebra and Diva. It's initial idea is to be a tape plugin, but it can be so much more. It takes the idea from an emulation further - much like "Variety of Sound" (bootsie) did with his creations.

And I like that. Though I still wish there'd be slower tape speed to recreate that old cassette type feel.


V0RT3X wrote:lol no need for a bus compressor after satin then? Its that good?
Tapes, if driven right, can be used as compressors. This is the reason why so many oldschool people still swear about them. Also don't forget that the Noise Reduction modules are actually a compressor and expander.



And on a totally unrelated sidenote:
The KVR "featured plugin" is currently a tape machine. Coincidence?
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4damind wrote:Demo limitations are a bit annoying, I lost my interest after some minutes for Satin and uninstalled it. Hopefully the demo for the release will have some more user friendly demo limitations. I don't speak about a 30 day trial but give us at least 7 days or implement a muting instead of this annoying crackling.
I think it was mentioned a few pages ago (or in another thread?) the crackles should be less frequent if each instance isn't emitting.

Swoon as I do over this, I'm waiting for the official release (last minute bux fixes are not necessarily the most insignificant).
Hmm... Ok, but the demo limitation needs some improvements. This demo kills my interest to buy the released version.
After my short tests (between the crackling) I can only say that I like Slate VTM more for typical usage. But Satin has some more options which makes it interesting for different things. Maybe that I give it another try after the release.

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You could try rendering, 4damind. That didn't introduce noise on my end. Then again, I only rendered 10-20s long clips and the noise comes in about every 1-2 minutes.

So chances are, like with the IKM plugins, that you still have the noise every minute in your mixdowns. Which is only fair for a demo.
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beautiful, just demo'd it, wow!!! :wink: if I buy this now, do I get the full version? with presets? not like I'll need them
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TheoM wrote: but i can't get my head around the phase cancellation with latency compensation.
I don't quite understand your problem there. I don't have Mac though but on win and three different host it compensate flawless. Shouldn't this be up to host? I am just guessing and trying to help but i don't quite understand problem.

I am assuming that your host doesn't compensate it good and because of that you have some weird phasing issues is that it?

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trusampler wrote:beautiful, just demo'd it, wow!!! :wink: if I buy this now, do I get the full version? with presets? not like I'll need them
Where did you get a demo of it from?
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btw i7 2600k sandy bridge overclocked to 4,8ghz (on air cooling), i am getting 3% per instance. Not bad IMO. Slate VTM was heavier (around 5%) and it did introduced far more latency.

I wouldn't call Slate VTM obsolete because of Satin though. A bit different sound. Maybe more appropriate for some of Mastering sessions(when calibrated properly).

Anyway Satin is pure LOVE. And with delay and Flange, it's a win win situation.

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Hey u-he! Another winner. :tu:

Apart from everything mentioned, the uhx Encoders are so sweet! Try Ed Harvey's Zebra SimChoir with uhx Type II and goof around with the Service Panel parameters... ;)

This may or may not compare to VTM, I don't know. But as a creative tool it's miles ahead.

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kmonkey wrote:I wouldn't call Slate VTM obsolete because of Satin though. A bit different sound. Maybe more appropriate for some of Mastering sessions(when calibrated properly).
Definitely not... Again slightly different sound. Both are class... but for the number of features Satin rules.

That doesn't mean that I won't be using VTM, as you can never have too many toys. ;)
I will take the Lord's name in vain, whenever I want. Hail Satan! And his little goblins too. :lol:

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Tape plugin ménage à trois:

Well, I had Kramer Master Tape on the kick drum track, Satin on the drum bus (with Waves NLS and PIE) AND ReelBus on the master bus, and it sounded SO good I couldn't believe it! :love:

Tomorrow I'm gonna try Satin on the master bus. I'm sure I'll get some amazing results. :)
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