u-he Satin or Slate VTM?

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Urs]

but i can't get my head around the phase cancellation with latency compensation.

I don't quite understand your problem there. I don't have Mac though but on win and three different host it compensate flawless. Shouldn't this be up to host? I am just guessing and trying to help but i don't quite understand problem.

I am assuming that your host doesn't compensate it good and because of that you have some weird phasing issues is that it?

using cubase 7, logic, and studio one.
put two same tracks on track 1 and 2.
put satin on one of them.

cheers.

There is no way a real tape wouldn't have phase issues if you mix before/after. Tape is analogue. It's not linear phase - that's the whole point about it...

(a real tape though usually has some extra latency between recording head and playback head)

[Urs]

Hmm... Ok, but the demo limitation needs some improvements.

Sorry, but 7day/30day whatsoever time limits are too easy to crack. We havent been fully cracked in 5 years. I'm afraid we're not going to change our nice "dsp weapon" for anything else, as we'd be forced into less transparent copy protection methods

(I might however change duration and tone of the crackles... slightly)

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Compyfox]

Again, you won't read this as I'm on mute and I lost your "respect" (which is still hillarious). But sorry, I can't stand this constant anti iLok drama anymore!

WOW 5 years is amazing. ilok can NOT boast anywhere NEAR that record.

Not one(!) crack since iLok2 days. From either company that moved to iLok2. Those that are still on Gen1 get cracked regulary.

So Mr Slate, you are reading this topic, please give me one single excuse NOW why you are using Ilok, after you kept on saying in the GS topic about looking for an alternative, and u-he provide theirs for free to any developer who want it?

iLok2 is, along with Elicenser and Codemeter, the best C/P system as of this moment. Zero to no hacks/cracks available.

And this was the reason why Steven Slate went to iLok2 in the first place - to protect his tools from crackers that sneaked into the beta tester reigns, cracked a VCC beta and then made it public.

This has proven to be the death of certain developers before - and Steven did the only logical thing: stronger protection.


The iLokalypse lies on a whole different ballpark. And let's not go there. Too much negative comments towards iLok already as it is in this thread.

[kmonkey]

When working on your EDM Kicks, try to load one Satin on Kick and use some of the Studio presets (like RP_A800 Vintage 30IPS). Try to tweak Repro Head Gap Width and Bump As well as Headroom knob

[Agility]

U-he, you have not dissapointed.

[Urs]

On the topic of demo limitations, we've planned an application that lets one try Satin fully working on the demo material that we have. It's outsourced development, I don't know when it's going to be available. Must make note to myself to ask about progress...

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As for copy protection, we believe that our stuff works (keyword is "believe" asn opposed to "know"). We have data that proves that many people use our "temporary cracks" before they buy (i.e. are "invited" to buy). Nevertheless we can not be sure about the number of people who don't buy because there's a crack, or what they think is a crack. All I know is, we get by and we haven't worried too much about piracy ever since.

It is however every developer's own - hopefully educated - business decision to choose a copy protection method. If one has ever felt what it's like seeing one's stuff cracked on a torrent tracker, it's highly understandable that one goes for solutions like iLok. It's a business decision that may or may not appeal to everyone, but then so is ours. For some people I guess iLok protected software seems "more professional" than "plain serial number", just like boxed products seem "more professional" than "download only". Actually, I'm quite sure this is the case. I wouldn't blame any developer for going iLok - it may even be a requirement by the distributor of the boxed stuff, and it may have advantages for certain distribution models and customer handling. Dunno.

Nevertheless, the copy protection method says nothing about the quality of a plugin. I'm pretty sure there'll be many, many happy users of either tape plug. I'm equally sure that many people who use the one will also use the other, whenever they feel it sounds right

- Urs

[Compyfox]

I'll definitely use both!

Actually, more than both (as I have access to more machines). Whatever fits the job best: gritty tape, modern tape, barely any tape, specific machine, etc.

Customer is king.

[J4R1O]

Played with Satin last night and it sounds awesome! To answer my original question, u-he Satin or Slate VTM, my answer is Satin.

And what comes to that vinyl noise as copy protection, I think it's a good system. Doesn't bother me. Demo is demo and when I purchase the full version that vinyl noise is gone.

BTW: Urs, I had only one instance of Satin loaded when that loud peak appeared. It paralyzed my RME (9632) for a 30-40 seconds: no sound, only these strange loud peaks, especially on drum reverb bus (meter hitting at 100!). That has never happened before with any other plugin. Maybe it's that vinyl noise program under Satin's hood? I had Waves NLS on every Superior Drummer track and couple of other plugins also loaded (ValhallaRoom on drum reverb bus), and no 32-bit plugins loaded.

[recursive one]

It seems that everybody in this world but me has already tested Satin. I don't own the Slate's tape thingy, but I wonder how good Satin is compared to TB Reelbus. I don't care much about authenticity, what I use the Reelbus for is to soften transients and add some low-mid warmth on 2buss so I wonder whether Satin can do the same thing but with better quality (that is, better enough to justify the price gap) and also whether it is more CPU efficient (Reelbus is a considerable hog at my system and it keeps me from using Reelbus on tracks, I have to replace it with VoS Ferric which I like less soundwise).

[sqigls]

Where the FRICK are all these people getting Satin demos from?
Where can I download please? Thank you.

[Agility]

It seems that everybody in this world but me has already tested Satin. I don't own the Slate's tape thingy, but I wonder how good Satin is compared to TB Reelbus. I don't care much about authenticity, what I use the Reelbus for is to soften transients and add some low-mid warmth on 2buss so I wonder whether Satin can do the same thing but with better quality (that is, better enough to justify the price gap) and also whether it is more CPU efficient (Reelbus is a considerable hog at my system and it keeps me from using Reelbus on tracks, I have to replace it with VoS Ferric which I like less soundwise).

I don't see how you can't care about authenticity and then want the qualities of authentic tape done well, ie Transient smearing and low end bump, where most tape Emu's fail, most just smear things. Reelbus to me isn't very good at transient smearing IMO nor adding low end weight, it's more just like an EQ in that sense IMO where as the tape bump works in a different way or atleast collectively with the other qualities of tape. Satin is alot more powerful and sounds great, like I say they did not dissapoint.

The CPU hit on mine seems comparable to Reelbus.

Where's the link to buy/pre-order?

Thanks.

PS: Getting a poof from Cubase when closing projects using Satin. Using VST3 version, not sure of VST2, didn't install it.

[EvilDragon]

Where the FRICK are all these people getting Satin demos from?
Where can I download please? Thank you.

Check previous page of the thread.

[zvenx]

Might as well post it here, then.

http://www.u-he.com/downloads/Satin/Satin1807Mac.zip
http://www.u-he.com/downloads/Satin/Satin1807Win.zip

here you go.
rsp