Suspended Chords = Preffered Dissonance?
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- KVRer
- 24 posts since 16 Aug, 2013 from Centreville, VA
I was just screwing around on my keyboard and I came up with a simple little melody I am going to expand on, but I'm a little confused as to what I am doing. I think the melody sounds fine, but it is totally dissonant.
I first play E-G-D, then C-G-D, then I raise that top D a step to an E.
If my calculations are correct, the melody goes from a D add9 Sus 4 chord, to C Sus 2, to a basic C.
Admittedly I used the Internet for help finding out those chord names...My question about these chords is basically should I be playing these if they are dissonant? They have names so they obviously exist, and they sound fine to me, but I'm no Yo Yo Ma. Are my ears off, or do these chords actually "make sense" musically, despite the fact that they are dissonant? I understand that dissonance is often preferred, for adding tension and what not, but I don't know if I'm doing this right.
I first play E-G-D, then C-G-D, then I raise that top D a step to an E.
If my calculations are correct, the melody goes from a D add9 Sus 4 chord, to C Sus 2, to a basic C.
Admittedly I used the Internet for help finding out those chord names...My question about these chords is basically should I be playing these if they are dissonant? They have names so they obviously exist, and they sound fine to me, but I'm no Yo Yo Ma. Are my ears off, or do these chords actually "make sense" musically, despite the fact that they are dissonant? I understand that dissonance is often preferred, for adding tension and what not, but I don't know if I'm doing this right.
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- KVRist
- 322 posts since 2 Jul, 2012 from Castanet, Aveyron, France
Hi,
to me when you play E G D you are playing an Em7 (E G B D), and then C G D=>E is a C, add9 if you want, but nothing fancy. And if you feel that those two parts belong to the same chord, the first part fits perfectly on a C, or even Cadd9 iff you want to spell it all out.
On the dissonance part, well it is a part (a really important one) of harmony, don't be affraid of using it!
You could also go for G6 , C...Asus4 , Am... Even Bm7b5 , C... It also depends greatly on the rythm of the notes, wich ones are on "strong times" and wich are on week ones, etc etc.
to me when you play E G D you are playing an Em7 (E G B D), and then C G D=>E is a C, add9 if you want, but nothing fancy. And if you feel that those two parts belong to the same chord, the first part fits perfectly on a C, or even Cadd9 iff you want to spell it all out.
On the dissonance part, well it is a part (a really important one) of harmony, don't be affraid of using it!
You could also go for G6 , C...Asus4 , Am... Even Bm7b5 , C... It also depends greatly on the rythm of the notes, wich ones are on "strong times" and wich are on week ones, etc etc.
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
if they sound good to you, why do you need to worry?TFHT2013 wrote: should I be playing these if they are dissonant? They have names so they obviously exist, and they sound fine to me, but I'm no Yo Yo Ma. Are my ears off, or do these chords actually "make sense" musically.
that's a completely normal move, and a perfectly good execution of it as you describe it. You want a term for it?: a 2-3 suspension. Technically a 'suspension' because the D was in the prev. harmony.
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- KVRian
- 1227 posts since 10 Oct, 2004
To be completely accurate - and I admit this is nitpicking, so novices need not worry about it - but when a "suspension" resolves upwards, it is technically called a Retardation (although some people do tend to lump the two together).jancivil wrote:You want a term for it?: a 2-3 suspension. Technically a 'suspension' because the D was in the prev. harmony.
I'll leave someone else to make the obvious joke.
Unfamiliar words can be looked up in my Glossary of musical terms.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
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- KVRist
- 164 posts since 4 Dec, 2006
Also a 2-3 suspension is generally understood as a bass suspension where the lowest voice is the one that moves downward causing the interval between it and the other voice to widen from a 2nd to a 3rd.
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
That term 'bass suspension' brings up a problem with what I said: traditionally, this 2-3, 'bass suspension' is quite different than what I have there.
I have the 2 of the harmony to the 3 of the harmony and there is the danger of a misnomer there.
in a first inversion the 2-3 has the fourth of the harmony resolving down to the third; F in the bass vis a vis G in the top voice moving to E/G is that 2-3 suspension, per se.
So what I had, without being picky should probably be called something else; 'retardation' I don't remember but I could confirm it easily I'm sure.
I have the 2 of the harmony to the 3 of the harmony and there is the danger of a misnomer there.
in a first inversion the 2-3 has the fourth of the harmony resolving down to the third; F in the bass vis a vis G in the top voice moving to E/G is that 2-3 suspension, per se.
So what I had, without being picky should probably be called something else; 'retardation' I don't remember but I could confirm it easily I'm sure.
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- KVRist
- 164 posts since 4 Dec, 2006
The OP's example is called a 9-10 upward-resolving suspension (or retardation).jancivil wrote:That term 'bass suspension' brings up a problem with what I said: traditionally, this 2-3, 'bass suspension' is quite different than what I have there.
I have the 2 of the harmony to the 3 of the harmony and there is the danger of a misnomer there.
in a first inversion the 2-3 has the fourth of the harmony resolving down to the third; F in the bass vis a vis G in the top voice moving to E/G is that 2-3 suspension, per se.
So what I had, without being picky should probably be called something else; 'retardation' I don't remember but I could confirm it easily I'm sure.