Im totally locked in my music making process help me

[Aiynzahev]

Forget about supersaws and leads and basses and plucks and "drums"

also classical

[hansba]

Actually don't need money. I want to get something for me but not money but pleasure to make music....And Gartner is much creative/experimental music than many other complextro music but don't really want to make complextro only some kind of dance music which have rhythm. But if I'll dissappoint all kind of dance music I'll maybe try to make film music. But havent gave up yet just trying to find path out from my musical cage

[ghettosynth]

And Gartner is much creative/experimental music than many other complextro music

Do you have a link to what you think is creative and experimental Gartner? The reason I ask is that I know what you define as experimental.

[hansba]

Forget about supersaws and leads and basses and plucks and "drums"

also classical

Yeah I like that but wonder how I find path to joy of making music for listening this. Film music can be anything and probably it's for me if talking about finding joy to make music. Wonder why all youtube tutorials are for dance genre. I got always something to watch them but now Im totally fed up them. Forget about supersaws and leads and basses and plucks and "drums" That's good advice, thx.

[hansba]

And Gartner is much creative/experimental music than many other complextro music

Do you have a link to what you think is creative and experimental Gartner? The reason I ask is that I know what you define as experimental.

Ok you're right it's not that creative or experimental cuz we have genre complextro but if no ones have invented it what then. Anyways it's more creative than SHM or Avicii but not experimental in real sense Creativity disappears when people hear almost same stuff making too many different person.

[Tricky-Loops]

What is complextro? Do I really need to learn all 10,000 different music genres before I actually can make music?

[hansba]

Anyways this conversation has already helped me a lot. Have to think what's important for me. Maybe I try my orchestral softs and tribal instruments and forgot supersaws or dubstep basses and kick drums also tutorials + genres. Should also learn about more my synths sound processing. Thanks guys.

[dblock]

Hello!

Im totally locked in my music making process help me. I have found out how formal and generic structure electronic genre has. Also find out how many songs based on sample cds. That makes me wonder if there is some electronic music genre which have more freedom to work without thinking bars all the time and sounds too much and which are more experimental and not that generic structured?

Don't anaylize, utilize. Now quit thinking so hard and get to work.You're getting older by the day.

[Aiynzahev]

Anyways this conversation has already helped me a lot. Have to think what's important for me. Maybe I try my orchestral softs and tribal instruments and forgot supersaws or dubstep basses and kick drums also tutorials + genres. Should also learn about more my synths sound processing. Thanks guys.

Dude there is so much more to dance music than supersaws

Check out Sasha's three involver albums, especially the first one.
http://www.amazon.com/Involver-Sasha/dp ... a+involver

Check out Guy J's 1000 words
http://www.amazon.com/1000-Words-Guy-J/ ... 1000+words

And VCMG are interesting too.
http://www.amazon.com/Ssss-Vcmg/dp/B007 ... words=vcmg

If your into dance that is. But honestly if all I knew about dance music was the mainstream AVICCI trash out there I wouldn't be interested either.

Good luck to you anyway

[himalaya]

Stop and listen to what the music wants. YOUR music.

Just read your line Sendy ...

[BMoore]

Switch to another creative hobby you're no good at.

[Sampleconstruct]

Erase the HD partition in your musical brain, reformat and start from scratch. Don't listen to all these silly genres anymore and just try to compose what's inside you. Not every piece of music needs a "groove" or a repeating phrase, or even a noticeable rhythm. Forget about supersaws and leads and basses and plucks and "drums", invent your own sounds, do some field recording, listen to some purely acoustic music, also classical, not even pop, if you're brave enough listen to some atonal stuff too.

What's your theory? Why is a particular "field recording" interesting? Why will this evoke some response in the listener? What response do you imagine that it invokes? EDM makes people dance and there's a lot of solid theory about why it works in the context that it works. Some of the "rules" exist largely to support how it's played, but granted, others are just artifacts of genre. You should know the difference. You should also be aware, however, that many artists do know the difference and there is a lot of music that does break the right rules and still can exist within the framework of what makes people dance.

My experience is that e.g. field recordings can broaden your sonic horizon a lot - I was not thinking of the listener of the OPs music but of the OPs need to expand his view on what music is or can be. I have created entire (commercial) film scores by deriving music from field recordings, not only by using the sounds themselves but by analyzing rhythms and harmonic structures found in the environment like e.g. nature or factories and then composing music around that.

If the OP is stuck/locked at ever repeating attempts to suit a certain EMD genre in order to get some thumbs up on youtube or "Likes" on FB or Soundcloud then it's time to totally change and do something totally different, trying to compose something more unique, maybe even genre-free or cross-genre - no matter if that will be music that nobody "needs" or not.

Thankkfully music people can dance to or that makes it to the Top 40 is only a small fraction of music as such.

When all these experiments fail the OP can always return to the locked area in his head and make some more EDM nobody needs.

[Tricky-Loops]

Meditation helps; the idea being to drop all of your preconceptions and just let it flow...

Sometimes silence is the most inspiring music!

[Sendy]

Stop and listen to what the music wants. YOUR music.

Just read your line Sendy ...

Of course there's a flipside to that advice: sometimes you just have to do any old thing, a sort of "throwing music at the wall to see what sticks". This can be useful when (a) your music isn't speaking with you (perhaps you've had an argument and are on bad terms) or (b) you haven't much of an idea about your "voice" yet (which is to be expected when starting out).

[ghettosynth]

Erase the HD partition in your musical brain, reformat and start from scratch. Don't listen to all these silly genres anymore and just try to compose what's inside you. Not every piece of music needs a "groove" or a repeating phrase, or even a noticeable rhythm. Forget about supersaws and leads and basses and plucks and "drums", invent your own sounds, do some field recording, listen to some purely acoustic music, also classical, not even pop, if you're brave enough listen to some atonal stuff too.

What's your theory? Why is a particular "field recording" interesting? Why will this evoke some response in the listener? What response do you imagine that it invokes? EDM makes people dance and there's a lot of solid theory about why it works in the context that it works. Some of the "rules" exist largely to support how it's played, but granted, others are just artifacts of genre. You should know the difference. You should also be aware, however, that many artists do know the difference and there is a lot of music that does break the right rules and still can exist within the framework of what makes people dance.

My experience is that e.g. field recordings can broaden your sonic horizon a lot - I was not thinking of the listener of the OPs music but of the OPs need to expand his view on what music is or can be. I have created entire (commercial) film scores by deriving music from field recordings, not only by using the sounds themselves but by analyzing rhythms and harmonic structures found in the environment like e.g. nature or factories and then composing music around that.

So first, apologies, that came across as if I was addressing YOUR theory, I was challenging the OP to think about a theory in relation to his needs. To be clear, I don't disagree with you. Granted, I don't have your experience, but I use field recordings in similar ways. I just don't think that, by itself, "using field recordings" will get you any closer to what you want if you haven't thought about why you aren't getting there.

If the OP is stuck/locked at ever repeating attempts to suit a certain EMD genre in order to get some thumbs up on youtube or "Likes" on FB or Soundcloud then it's time to totally change and do something totally different, trying to compose something more unique, maybe even genre-free or cross-genre - no matter if that will be music that nobody "needs" or not.

No, I disagree. This might help, or it just might be wasted time. I think that this sort of advice is equivalent to suggesting more melody or chord changes in EDM when someone can't get the sound that they're looking for. If you want to produce good EDM, then probably the best thing to do is just to produce more EDM. If you get stuck, figure out what's limiting you in the style that you're trying to create.

Thankkfully music people can dance to or that makes it to the Top 40 is only a small fraction of music as such.

But it's a large fraction of EDM, amiright? And that's what the OP has stated that he wants to do.

When all these experiments fail the OP can always return to the locked area in his head and make some more EDM nobody needs.

One could argue that nobody NEEDS any music. My assertion about what people "want" was not with reference to any particular genre. Obviously, some, or even many, people want every kind of genre from straight field recordings to full orchestrations, traditional or synthetic. My assertion is that, if you can't do X well, then doing Y as a substitute will not necessarily generate a good product. I was not asserting that all Y is music that people don't want or need.

I even gave a personal example. Certainly I like creating noise/ambient, but I would argue that you (anyone, even me) would be wasting your time to listen to it. It's value is not in the end product, its value is in what the process does for the performers. That is, it is music (as product) that "nobody wants."

It's like suggesting that a guitar player switch to piano to improve his guitar. Well, in some sense, it does have value, but it's also a distraction.