For you, I'm sure that it is, but then you don't really know EDM at all. If we limit ourselves to the OPs perspective, then yes, you are correct. But, I'm not on board with you in terms of breadth, it depends on what our basis vectors are.jancivil wrote:straw man does what?ghettosynth wrote:When you listen to something constantly, you get sick of it. A steady diet of almost anything will trigger this response. My gut reaction to anyone claiming a steady diet of anything, but especially classical, is that they are insecure about their intellectual accomplishments.
'classical' is potentially a rather broader category than 'EDM' [per the context of the thread, anyway] isn't it?
Not that I want to discuss it with you, mind you, we can just agree to disagree.
Yes, really. As usual, you're overreacting to my posts. Let go of your own agenda for a moment and read what I'm actually saying. If it's not clear, fair enough, I'll be glad to elaborate. So first, I completely agree, there are all kinds of music styles in film. In no way did I mean to imply that, with respect to style, that EDM and soundtrack music share similar limitations, they do not. Both, however, are boxes, that have some form and demands. These demands require something of the producer/composer and if one wants to compose for that box one must be ready to embrace the demands of the box. I posted the Hans Zimmer video for a reason. He talks about connecting the character to the music and dragging razor blades over guitar strings. It should be clear just from that video alone that there's more to being a soundtrack composer than looking for a "tut" on youtube.REALLY? I've heard all kinds of music in movies.Soundtrack music is just another box.
So, with respect to the OPs abilities and concerns, to him, soundtrack music is just another box that he doesn't understand, and, while in some ways more free, it is in many others, much more demanding and constrained. If you can't create tension and release in a relatively simple dance music framework, what makes you think that you can do so in the context of an intricate visual framework that you don't have the freedom to define?
Now, if the goal is just to create music that sounds like it could be a soundtrack, well, that's not the same thing.
I don't think that being a "soundtrack composer" is a solution for the OP, I think that it's a fantasy, it's the grass on the other side of the street. I encouraged him to just produce music without imposing any external genre, but, to understand what the end goal of producing music is.
You're simplifying my responses to suit your own perspective of me. In no way was I suggesting that our OP cut and paste loops to compose a soundtrack, because, frankly, I don't think that he would know where to start. I was suggesting that he try to figure out exactly why his efforts in the past failed and giving useful techniques that can help to bridge gaps in knowledge.You're taking wide, broad, deep areas and pushing this reduction of things that don't work like EDM to the level of 'EDM' here. It's all rather suspect.
I do understand EDM genres and the OP paints a picture of himself that I think that I understand. I tried to ask questions that would lead to discussion that would be fruitful. It's not clear, for example, whether disappointment with complextro was a result of misunderstanding how to produce the style, insufficient music skill, insufficient production skill, or dissatisfaction with the style.
You can even get the computer to do random stuff for you, like take a bunch of FX which have random options and print off half an hour of it, then look for the best bits, cut them out, etc.. Sometimes this yields lots of glitchy widgets that you might be able to work into the track, other times it yields an interesting loop or groove, or some kind of drone or sound effect.
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