u-he Satin or Slate VTM?

[Sampleconstruct]

What's the noise floor (in RMS!) of the REVOX?

Go a couple of posts up, there is a link in my post to a noise floor chart. Though keep in mind SATIN can be adjusted down to -85dB RMS with the hiss knob alone. Even further down if you additionally reduce the Asperity (tape noise).

But having a lower noise floor then the actual hardware is unrealistic IMO.

Hence my Q what the REVOX specs are.

Man, you're on a Hission

[Compyfox]

Could be, but maybe my noise gate is just well enough to actually be able to help and answer questions?

[Sampleconstruct]

Could be, but maybe my noise gate is just well enough to actually be able to help and answer questions?

[Tp3]

What's the noise floor (in RMS!) of the REVOX?

Go a couple of posts up, there is a link in my post to a noise floor chart. Though keep in mind SATIN can be adjusted down to -85dB RMS with the hiss knob alone. Even further down if you additionally reduce the Asperity (tape noise).

But having a lower noise floor then the actual hardware is unrealistic IMO.

Hence my Q what the REVOX specs are.

Man, you're on a Hission

Hission Hisspossible ?

[ThomasHelzle]

Wow & my Heart flutters

[Tp3]

Wow & my Heart flutters

Man, don't be hissterical

[kvaca]

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[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[kylen]

OK now it is getting sssss-serious (serious fun that is!).

Satin has me looking around at my power converter to see if there is hum coming in off my power line...

After a whiole I discovered that I had uhx TypeI selected on the Compander and the Compander Mix knob set to 30%. Got some beautiful hum and hiss from that!

This has got to be the most realistic modeling I have heard recently - now I'm waiting to find some tape gum and oxide on my keyboard tomorrow morning!


It also did occur to me that a Bypass button for the major components (similar to the 'Bypass Tape' button) might be interesting for fast A/B purposes - before my aural memory dissolves...it is still very workable without it though. I'm still learning which sounds associate with which buttons so may be moot once I am a certified Satin Tape operator!

PS - others have mentioned the 3D (depth), something about the noise seems to make my song more 3D, like I can almost reach into it. I've heard other folks mention 3D but this is kinda the first time I've made it myself with a plugin...

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[4damind]

Cheers! Any chance of the same mix without Satin matched at the same RMS volume? Would be great to compare on electronic music.

I have the Slate VTM version. But not very usable for a 1:1 comparison because both sounding different and cannot be completely matched but it gives eventually a idea. Anyway...

Satin version (now without crackles because I have the full version):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/854 ... in_mix.mp3

Slate VTM version:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/854 ... r_face.mp3

I've finished the track today but my decision was against Satin for the multi-track tape stuff and I used Slate VTM. But Satin found it's place as a tape delay for the piano and to fatten up the bass
Btw. if somebody is interested how the finished track sounds, I posted it in the Music Cafe

[Compyfox]

Used it as RE-201 by chance?



So... jkleban:
Which REVOX are we talking about, and what is it's noise floor?

Is it lower than the SATIN bundled Studer A827 30ips preset with -68,7dB RMS (unweighted)?

I'm just curious.

[J4R1O]

<- Happy Satin owner (also happy SDRR owner)

[Shy]

u-he Satin or Slate Digital VTM? Or UAD? Or Ferox?...
Here is what's probably the only accurate "review" of this "magnetic tape emulation" bullshit:
Satin, just like all other "magnetic tape emulation" plugins (yes, that means also from Slate Digital and UAD), is just another plugin with which the developer has made absolutely no effort whatsoever to emulate sound coming from playback of magnetic tape (using a tape machine). There is no "emulation"/"simulation" whatsoever of audio from magnetic tape, not even a basic/partial/incomplete attempt at that. All current "tape emulation" plugins feature basic distortion and EQ, and other features unrelated to magnetic tape emulation, like idiotic basic pitch modulation (and calling it "wow and flutter") and flanging and delay, which are effects people like to associate with tape because people who handled tape recordings in earlier days widely made use of them, but which have nothing to do with emulation of sound from magnetic tape.

With Satin, just like all current "magnetic tape emulations", the developer attempts to exploit people's ignorance and appeal to them with some sort of "sound beautifier". "Tape emulation" is synonymous with "the audio that comes out sounds better than the audio that comes in". You may like the effect of the distortion, the EQ, or whatever other effect you get from Satin or other "tape emulation" plugins, and if you do, that's nice, but you don't have a "magnetic tape emulation", you have a set of other, basic effects, which have nothing to do with simulation/emulation of playback of sound data stored on a magnetic tape.

In 15 or 20 years (or maybe earlier or later, who knows?), when REAL emulations of sound from magnetic tape become available, people will look back at bullshit like this and know how this was a time when marketing ruled the world of digital sound effects, and how "emulation" in the end-user audio DSP world was once a ridiculous term consumed by marketing and people's ignorance, as opposed to a serious term that actually means something.

[billcarroll]

u-he Satin or Slate Digital VTM? Or UAD? Or Ferox?...
Here is what's probably the only accurate "review" of this "magnetic tape emulation" bullshit:
Satin, just like all other "magnetic tape emulation" plugins (yes, that means also from Slate Digital and UAD), is just another plugin with which the developer has made absolutely no effort whatsoever to emulate sound coming from playback of magnetic tape (using a tape machine). There is no "emulation"/"simulation" whatsoever of audio from magnetic tape, not even a basic/partial/incomplete attempt at that. All current "tape emulation" plugins feature basic distortion and EQ, and other features unrelated to magnetic tape emulation, like idiotic basic pitch modulation (and calling it "wow and flutter") and flanging and delay, which are effects people like to associate with tape because people who handled tape recordings in earlier days widely made use of them, but which have nothing to do with emulation of sound from magnetic tape.

With Satin, just like all current "magnetic tape emulations", the developer attempts to exploit people's ignorance and appeal to them with some sort of "sound beautifier". "Tape emulation" is synonymous with "the audio that comes out sounds better than the audio that comes in". You may like the effect of the distortion, the EQ, or whatever other effect you get from Satin or other "tape emulation" plugins, and if you do, that's nice, but you don't have a "magnetic tape emulation", you have a set of other, basic effects, which have nothing to do with simulation/emulation of playback of sound data stored on a magnetic tape.

In 15 or 20 years (or maybe earlier or later, who knows?), when REAL emulations of sound from magnetic tape become available, people will look back at bullshit like this and know how this was a time when marketing ruled the world of digital sound effects, and how "emulation" in the end-user audio DSP world was once a ridiculous term consumed by marketing and people's ignorance, as opposed to a serious term that actually means something.

Really sounds like you know what you are talking about. Anything else you know nothing about that you'd care to expound poorly upon?