'Different Drummer' revisited

[technemedia]

Yes the app market is filled with cheap and free apps, some quite excellent with zero chance of earning a penny but all glory to the devs. Others are marketing ploys from large corps who can afford it as part of a marketing budget. It used to be called dumping to devalue the market with cheap alternatives but now it's the norm. However, Apple's pricing structure goes to the thousands so it's not actually their religion. They much prefer fewer transactions with larger amounts because they have to keep insane records of purchases in every country for tax purposes. Music apps and productivity tools vary a lot in price and the more niche product, the higher the price, or the poorer the developer gets. The beauty of the market is it decides the value and not the individual who would love it to be free, naturally. I would rather sell 100 at 30 bucks than 3000 at 1 any day because it allows one to have more of a 1 on 1 relationship with your customers and your app isn't treated like toilet paper. That's also why we built a social network inside the app which turns it into a sort of drum pattern sharing "club" that only owners can join. In the real world of production, one good drumbeat can be worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. Nuff said. Thanks.

[IncarnateX]

I would rather sell 100 at 30 bucks than 3000 at 1 any day because it allows one to have more of a 1 on 1 relationship with your customers and your app isn't treated like toilet paper..

Suit yourself. But do not forget that the customers have an important vote on this if you want to earn money and respect among many users and not just a few "chosen ones".

That's also why we built a social network inside the app which turns it into a sort of drum pattern sharing "club" that only owners can join. Thanks.

If you think people will pay 10 times the price for an app to join your club, I would call it rather pretentious. Other devs have forums and support sites that cover this. But good luck

In the real world of production, one good drumbeat can be worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. Nuff said. Thanks

In the real world it is actually the user who makes the drum beats and whether they are good is a matter of taste. If you want to elude people into believing that they will make better beats with your app and therefore should pay more for it, go ahead, but to some of us it is a patronizing attitude that wil get you nowhere.

Just demand what you want for your app but spare us the hollow justifications plz. I think the KVR public is too old and experienced for that.

[technemedia]

We've dropped the price significantly several times in response to the voice of the public and we feel it's at a reasonable level for the uniqueness of the app which even has a patent pending. Most of our users agree and 95% of price complaints come from non-users. By no means am I saying it's better or more valuable than other apps, just different. Good luck on the quest for awesome music on a shoestring budget...totally doable and fine. Don't worry, app prices aren't going up any time soon so no need to come to the rescue of buyers who won't cause "app inflation" by getting our app. Sharing, liking and commenting in-app is also "different" than going to web sites because it's more convenient for users...one of our goals and an added value since it gives instant access to tons of crafted patterns and more every day. It's sort of like Instagram for drum patterns, except you can actually use the patterns.

[jazzimprov]

Not to take sides here but the post "above/above " seems a bit unfair.


I don't think this philosphy is necessarily bad.

There are many excellent apps out there like the Waldorf apps @ $30.00 or $20.00 and others like Animoog etc... Cubasis / Auria @ $50.00

If you think you have a worthwhile more complex app and you want to set a higher price, so be it and let the market decide.

Some apps will actually breach the .99c mark.

Respect will come from all if the app is worthwhile, not just the "few"


When you say 10 times the amount of other apps, which apps are you speaking of?
The higher end (see above) music apps are not at .99c

Are you ignoring the list off apps that are at $20.00 and $30.00 or $50.00?

DD is in the range now of music app pricing.

If this app can do more than clicking and have a predestined repetive unmodifiable (other than superficial)beat, then yes it is doing more than other apps may do.
The idea is intriging with the Waves and rests usage although I still would like to try this first as right now what I hear is a lot of repetitive electro in your face super fast and not really complex beats.
A little Subtleness would be nice.

But this app may still have the potential to do just that.

not just a repeating rhythm that can be gotten anywhere.
You do acknowledge that this is not a click here for a precorded beat app?


To the developer.

Thanks for chiming in.

I am still on the fence because what
I hear is still the same repetitive electro loud beats.

My other concern is if the Wave listing is just the usual list of Bass drum /Tablas /Electro DubStep etc..etc. this will still be a variation of the Electro world.

Can you please post something like this?? (looser subtle complex rhythms)

Thanks

Will you be adding addition sounds that would be more attuned to Jazz usage

[IncarnateX]

, except you can actually use the patterns.

As if other user sites do not offer user patterns/ presets to their apps that actually are usable. Sounds pretty conceited to me. Maybe you should find a way to promote your app that doesn't imply other' s products and services are useless.

And you have changed the "one good drumbeat can be worth hundreds or thousands of dollars" to that your app is "just different". That is a good start.

Cheers

[jazzimprov]

Really, where was the "your apps are all useless" part?

I must have missed that line.

I respect what you are saying but why is this different than all the "other $30.00 -$50.00 apps?

A developer is trying to promote the app (Ok , maybe a little overborad on the " we improvise" part, BUT, I don't think this is going overboard.

This must be a personal issue you have with this developer or the way he is presenting his product.

No?

[BMoore]

Wow. The developer is an idiot. What a shocker.

[IncarnateX]

There are many excellent apps out there like the Waldorf apps @ $30.00 or $20.00 and others like Animoog etc... Cubasis / Auria @ $50.00

Daws like Auria and Cubasis hardly compare to a drum app and I do think that Cubasis is too expensive for what is does at the moment. Neve and Animoog are extreme value for money at their prices. They had both cheap intro prices. I got animoog for 1 dollar and Neve for 14. But most importingly they do not need to sell on basis on some in app user club or BS about making better music. If you think DD is worth it for what is does musically, I shall not be the one to try prevent you from buying after all.

Here are some other great drum apps at fairly lower prices:

DM1 4,99$ (got it for 2$ dollar intro price)
Stochastik (probability based drum mashine) 4,99$
Molten ( for polyrythmics) 11$
Drumjam 8$

you could have all of these for the price of different drummer but to each his own.

[technemedia]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit there are better, smarter developers out there who have much better web sites, deeper pockets, better sounds (even though you can import your own samples into DD), drum loops galore and everything required to create the music of your dreams. Sounds like you've already found what you are looking for so why get on our case? It's not a crime to be different and when people stop trying to discover new ways to make music, that's when music is officially dead. Isn't it possible that "different" can also mean interesting or innovative? I like Different Drummer, not because I invented it, but because I like the rhythms and music it creates effortlessly and it uses a very pure and simple way to do it. BTW, jazzimprov...my first guitar teacher when I was a kid was my cousin Garth Webber who was Mile Davis's guitarist for a year or so...check garthwebber.com He's an amazing improvisor in jazz and blues as you might expect.

[IncarnateX]

Really, where was the "your apps are all useless" part?

I must have missed that line.

No?

Yeah you are missing many things here. See the quote "except you can actually use the patterns" , which implies that you can not use other's patterns on other sites.

[jazzimprov]

DM1-- have it:semi useless for me--too techno

Stochastik --have it --a little clunky --doesn't have a real overall drummer feel but a nice little app for sure

molten sounds to techno ---don't own it though

Drumjam --have it --great little app

as is thumbjam!

as far as "using the pattern quote", I think that you have more leeway to change it around in this app than others where you cannot really do anything "to it"

I'm just looking for a non std app that can allow me to maybe break up the rhythm to make it more interesting as a good drummer would insert different rhythms in to the main rhythm (quietly that is)as an app like drumjam or etc can't do.

I still like to hear more examples of a looser time feel
if possible.....

BTW I actually don't think I am missing anything here.

I can read betweem the linds as well as anyone else.

Although if I do spens the $$ on this and it cannot do the "selling points" I'll be the 1st one to come back with a large stick

[IncarnateX]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit there are better, smarter developers out there who have much better web sites, deeper pockets, better sounds (even though you can import your own samples into DD), drum loops galore and everything required to create the music of your dreams. Sounds like you've already found what you are looking for so why get on our case? It's not a crime to be different and when people stop trying to discover new ways to make music, that's when music is officially dead. Isn't it possible that "different" can also mean interesting or innovative?

I am only commenting your pricing policy and "reasons" for it, which I do not agree with. I am not trashing your app. I just use my freedom of speech and you can use your freedom to ignore it. It is hardly the first time someone has complained about the price.

[BMoore]

Are there any examples, i.e. full tunes, not made as promo, made with DD out there?
Or any examples, from the 30 users in your in-app club, that made thousands of dollars because of DD?

[technemedia]

Artists don't usually list all the software they use but there may be some Different Drummer (driving MIDI) on Shpongle's latest album since he got it while in the studio. This user got it 3 days ago and already posted a composition: https://soundcloud.com/rmolen/am-i-now and users have sent me numerous private tracks they've made involving many tracks. As far as drumbeat values go...go out and buy some drum beats. They seem to range in price from 5 bucks to 100 depending on licensing. If you are a serious producer, then indeed one drum beat can make the difference between same old same old and fresh. Different Drummer doesn't replace creativity, it's just another tool to explore new possibilities for those that are driven to innovate.

[jazzimprov]

Are there any examples, i.e. full tunes, not made as promo, made with DD out there?
Or any examples, from the 30 users in your in-app club, that made thousands of dollars because of DD?

check YouTube

soundcloud

Really??
personally I know no one who has made "thousands of dollars" with these (any) apps --that may be with a known band but certainly unusual ....

reality check...


how about a non Techno link??