'Different Drummer' revisited

[BMoore]

Are there any examples, i.e. full tunes, not made as promo, made with DD out there?
Or any examples, from the 30 users in your in-app club, that made thousands of dollars because of DD?

check YouTube

soundcloud

Really??
personally I know no one who has made "thousands of dollars" with these (any) apps --that may be with a known band but certainly unusual ....

reality check...


how about a non Techno link??

And a reading comprehension check. "Thousands of dollars" wasn't my claim.

[IncarnateX]

Are there any examples, i.e. full tunes, not made as promo, made with DD out there?
Or any examples, from the 30 users in your in-app club, that made thousands of dollars because of DD?

check YouTube

soundcloud

Really??
personally I know no one who has made "thousands of dollars" with these (any) apps --that may be with a known band but certainly unusual ....

reality check...


how about a non Techno link??

And a reading comprehension check. "Thousands of dollars" wasn't my claim.

Incredible! Once again @jazzimprov missed a point from the devs own posts. I guess love makes blind
Well if all this has brought jazzimprov and the dev closer to a long lasting friendship, what assholes are we to correct him?

[steffe]

There are many excellent apps out there like the Waldorf apps @ $30.00 or $20.00 and others like Animoog etc... Cubasis / Auria @ $50.00

Daws like Auria and Cubasis hardly compare to a drum app and I do think that Cubasis is too expensive for what is does at the moment. Neve and Animoog are extreme value for money at their prices. They had both cheap intro prices. I got animoog for 1 dollar and Neve for 14. But most importingly they do not need to sell on basis on some in app user club or BS about making better music. If you think DD is worth it for what is does musically, I shall not be the one to try prevent you from buying after all.

Here are some other great drum apps at fairly lower prices:

DM1 4,99$ (got it for 2$ dollar intro price)
Stochastik (probability based drum mashine) 4,99$
Molten ( for polyrythmics) 11$
Drumjam 8$

you could have all of these for the price of different drummer but to each his own.

well, those a nice and great apps - but they do not compare to different drummer IMHO. if you are after that kind of app - fine - if you want more ...

there is a great difference in time/work/sophistication it work needed to implement a great but known, hundreds of times repeated concept ( that of a drum machine, with drum pads and step sequencer) and bringing along something new. it takes more time, demands more dedication from developer and the users and thus - IMHO - justifies a higher price.

now, if you like giving away what you spend time on - well, go ahead. but some still liked to get paid. and personally, working with music software for two decades I think the price for different drummer is more than fair. it is a tool, not a toy.

if the developer thinks the price is fair, what can you tell?

best

[IncarnateX]

if the developer thinks the price is fair, what can you tell?

That if the selling points are an in-app user club and a claim that you make better beats with it worth hundreds and thousands of dollars, you would be an idiot to buy it for such reasons.

[jazzimprov]

Where to begin,

Firstly,

Try not to attack someone personally when they don't agree with you

second --No one is going to buy the app for the phony reasons you just stated,

"that you make better beats with it worth hundreds and thousands of dollars"

Read that again, that is not what is being said.

Amazingly you seem to think everyone else is missing the point of what is being said except you.


You really think the "selling point" is an in-app user club.

That is mentioned in passing , many apps have similar options to help users.
This, I believe was a request anyways from owners.

(I try to do research before I buy)

...and yes you are trashing the app in addition to trashing the developer.

Do you own the app or perhaps you can't deal with the $30.00 price tag without getting personal.

here is the point

******Can you explan why you don't think the Wave concept here really works?****

This would be worth discussing, not the other BS stuff and this is what I would like to hear more of from anyone who understands this.

Try to stick to "some "facts at least here and there and be more explicit why this app is a waste of time and $$.

The only thing clear here is that you go after people who don't back you up.

I've been on KVR too many years to not recognize the type.

...and that is point on!

me

[BiancaNeve]

I'm not aware of any other drum apps where you can share rhythms within the app itself.

There's a lot with a forum from which you can grab stuff from the Internet.

[BMoore]

I'm not aware of any other drum apps where you can share rhythms within the app itself.

There's a lot with a forum from which you can grab stuff from the Internet.

MadPad comes to mind.

[BiancaNeve]

I'm not aware of any other drum apps where you can share rhythms within the app itself.

There's a lot with a forum from which you can grab stuff from the Internet.

MadPad comes to mind.

Looks to me like madpad uses facebook and twitter....

[IncarnateX]

Try not to attack someone personally when they don't agree with.

Where did I do that Einstein? show me the quote where I call the dev an idiot or something like that.

If I wanted to get personal, I would have called him a jerk....jerk!

second --No one is going to buy the app for the phony reasons you just stated,

"that you make better beats with it worth hundreds and thousands of dollars"

So far we are two that read it that way while you are the only one denying it. But ok here is the quote again:

I would rather sell 100 at 30 bucks than 3000 at 1 any day because it allows one to have more of a 1 on 1 relationship with your customers and your app isn't treated like toilet paper. That's also why we built a social network inside the app which turns it into a sort of drum pattern sharing "club" that only owners can join. In the real world of production, one good drumbeat can be worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. Nuff said. Thanks.

Let me translate: Selling 100 apps at 30 bucks allows you to have a special relation to your customers such as having a social network within the app and drumbeats worth hundreds and thousands of dollars.

However, if you really need to twist it into something else to cease any anxiety before buying the app, go ahead. I will even pretend you are right and not suffering from dylexia, if it makes you happy

[BiancaNeve]

Try not to attack someone personally when they don't agree with.

Where did I do that Einstein? show me the quote where I call the dev an idiot or something like that.

If I wanted to get personal, I would have called him a jerk....jerk!

second --No one is going to buy the app for the phony reasons you just stated,

"that you make better beats with it worth hundreds and thousands of dollars"

So far we are two that read it that way while you are the only one denying it. But ok here is the quote again:

I would rather sell 100 at 30 bucks than 3000 at 1 any day because it allows one to have more of a 1 on 1 relationship with your customers and your app isn't treated like toilet paper. That's also why we built a social network inside the app which turns it into a sort of drum pattern sharing "club" that only owners can join. In the real world of production, one good drumbeat can be worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. Nuff said. Thanks.

Let me translate: Selling 100 apps at 30 bucks allows you to have a special relation to your customers such as having a social network within the app and drumbeats worth hundreds and thousands of dollars.

However, if you really need to twist it into something else to cease any anxiety before buying the app, go ahead. I will even pretend you are right and not suffering from dylexia, if it makes you happy

"Hundreds or Thousands" he said, not "Hundreds and Thousands" which are cake decorations anyway

[jazzimprov]

"Where did I do that Einstein? show me the quote where I call the dev an idiot or something like that.

If I wanted to get personal, I would have called him a jerk....jerk!"


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Yep! Right there!

Class act buddy!

..not making much of an impact other then more personal attacks.... maybe too implicit for you to recognize?

Call it what you want (anxiety? --ha ) but I will even post here and have people like you (who don't own the app) respond than run out and buy an app I don't know quite enough about to satisfy my questions.

Yes that is a lot of $$ for me not to try to get people's input as much as I can before buying.

so, beyond the "Jerk" comments, why didn't you think this Wave idea doesn't
work? I did see your response in the last post....

Try to keep it on the products function or lack of for now.

believe me, I'm not sold on this until I hear something more impressive then a lot of loud techno beats.

[BMoore]

I'm not aware of any other drum apps where you can share rhythms within the app itself.

There's a lot with a forum from which you can grab stuff from the Internet.

MadPad comes to mind.

Looks to me like madpad uses facebook and twitter....

Well. Then it has changed from last time I used it.

[IncarnateX]

believe me, I'm not sold on this until I hear something more impressive then a lot of loud techno beats.

I have no doubt that you are the most perfect target for Different Drummer, so go get it, join the in-app social network and make us some of those lovely 1000$ wave driven beats. How hard can it be?

The youtube demos seem interesting and if it was a 10 dollar app I would probably buy it myself but it ain't so no-go here.

Just buy it and try it. If you do not like it, go to your iTunes account and click "report a problem". Now report your regrets under "I bought the app by mistake" and you will have an instant refund.

Cheers

[technemedia]

MadPad looks like fun in an SMule entertainment sort of way but I seriously doubt it has midi and makes midi files and is used to create serious drumbeats that you would use in music production. So even if you can share "presets" in MadPad, they are simply someone's manual triggering of recordings they made probably about as compelling as someone noodling on Ocarina (which I love but would rather record with a real ocarina), not clock-accurate dynamic drum patterns with polyrhythmic accents, rests and ties. All props to SMule because they were the first I know of to create an in-app music community, just not for experts. As jazzimprov said, this is just one of many features in DD and I consider it an added value...it certainly wasn't easy to program but you may think creating a sharing network is a no-brainer...try it some time It's also a very small part of what DD is about but I like it because it's a new feature and shows promise. As for what I meant about "hundreds or thousands" there are lots of studios and producers and composers for TV, Movies, commercials and pro music that get paid for their work. The more they produce at higher quality, the more they get paid and they really don't care about spending 30 bucks for a good tool last time I checked. They spend more on T-shirts that just sit in a drawer. Also any musician that aspires to be different (ie. not the same) usually is also not freaked out about 30 bucks to take a shot at new creative possibilities which is all DD is about. Cheers.

[jazzimprov]

I'm not freaked out by a $30.00 app -- I just spent $50.00 on Cubasis and..... other apps, so I have to look around at Nave and Animoog and wonder.
Spending $30.00 on a good tool is what I want to do,
Spending $30.00 on 'another app' that has no real use is what I am trying not to do.
If I were in the techno area this would be a simple purchase but the question is whether I can get this to work in the Jazz idiom.

I have too many that I wasted $$ on and would rather not make that mistake(s) again
Right now, I can only judge by the multitide of up tempo techno/Elecro sound cloud clips and that is not in my area of interest.


Still would love to hear a non Techno sound clip.