u-he Satin or Slate VTM?

[parma]

It's wow&flutter isn't quite as convincing either.

If you can provide us with more info on what your 'ideal' w&f is like (isn't it funny...? ), we're all ears.
More 'scrape flutter'?
More random/worn-out?
Anything else? Let us know.

I was hoping to be able to achieve sounds like the kind you can hear in this video:



Now, I know that's a VHS tape emulation so it may not be appropriate for Satin. But I was definitely hoping the W&F would be able to do more random, warbly, quavery sounds than it does now. Maybe that sound isn't even "proper" w&f but would be a different parameter like "tape wear" or something.

[J4R1O]

Theo, any Slate VTM presets for Satin yet?

As said until I own it and the crackles are gone I won't finish my attempt. I can't. It's impossibly distracting with the crackles. I also won't be able to test them via null because of the way satin does pdc and OS. So it will be hard as I have to do it only by one ear. I will continue to attempt and refine it as much as possible once I have my satin on Friday, cheers.

Ok. Just curious about the results. As I said I've never demoed VTM 'cos I don't have iLok, so maybe that's why I'd like to hear some "slated satin".

Been mixing new songs with Satin on drums bus and oh man, it sounds so freakin' good! I'm not an experienced audio plug-in jedi like you or many other KVRian, but yeah, it sounds good, really really really good. So I guess it has enough that true tape sound to my taste.

[@l3x!5]

I was hoping to be able to achieve sounds like the kind you can hear in this video:



Now, I know that's a VHS tape emulation so it may not be appropriate for Satin. But I was definitely hoping the W&F would be able to do more random, warbly, quavery sounds than it does now. Maybe that sound isn't even "proper" w&f but would be a different parameter like "tape wear" or something.

+1 That would be really nice indeed!

[kylen]

If you're interested in a 'poor man's' way to abuse a tape deck to get some cool wow & flutter try this - leave the transport mechanism engaged overnight (or maybe more days) so the capstan and pinch roller are in full contact (but power is off so the reels and capstan don't spin). Pretty soon there should be a depression on the pinch roller made by the capstan - maybe the harder the pinch roller the better (dryed out from alcohol abuse).

Next time you run a tape there should be a noticeable w&f, if that's not enough loosen a tape guide so the tape azimuth can drift a little (if that ain't enough stretch the pre-recorded tape )

My old echoplex had this happen (by accident) and it made the most beautiful chorus sound (subtle w&f) I've ever heard (mixed with the dry of course).

Anyway - one way to create a real-life model I suppose. Maybe along with a xact-o-knife and a variac.

I'm into Satin for the 'Mastering' quality so I'm not asking for the w&f feature myself, I was just reminded of my older decks and accidental w&f exercises.

[afreshcupofjoe]

Now, I know that's a VHS tape emulation so it may not be appropriate for Satin. But I was definitely hoping the W&F would be able to do more random, warbly, quavery sounds than it does now. Maybe that sound isn't even "proper" w&f but would be a different parameter like "tape wear" or something.

For that really worn down tape sound, I've had great results using Tone Project's Sonitex STX-1260. Really an overlooked gem of a plugin for these sorts of sounds.

Also, Tonebooster's Ferox is pretty good for that kind of stuff, especially if you add some extra pitch wobble with another plugin (chorus plugins set to 100% wet work great for this, but add a lot of latency). I think Ferox is payware now, but there used to be a free version. I don't know if it's still available, though.

Satin seems better suited to the more subtle HIFI studio tape emulation. I don't think it's really designed to do the kind of degradation you get out of a worn out VHS tape. That's pretty extreme.

[parma]

Now, I know that's a VHS tape emulation so it may not be appropriate for Satin. But I was definitely hoping the W&F would be able to do more random, warbly, quavery sounds than it does now. Maybe that sound isn't even "proper" w&f but would be a different parameter like "tape wear" or something.

For that really worn down tape sound, I've had great results using Tone Project's Sonitex STX-1260. Really an overlooked gem of a plugin for these sorts of sounds.

Also, Tonebooster's Ferox is pretty good for that kind of stuff, especially if you add some extra pitch wobble with another plugin (chorus plugins set to 100% wet work great for this, but add a lot of latency). I think Ferox is payware now, but there used to be a free version. I don't know if it's still available, though.

Satin seems better suited to the more subtle HIFI studio tape emulation. I don't think it's really designed to do the kind of degradation you get out of a worn out VHS tape. That's pretty extreme.

That's what I kinda figured regarding Satin but it would still be nice nonetheless. I thought I read in some thread on some forum that u-he was planning to add a more lo-fi element to Satin so maybe this request isn't too far fetched.

Can't try Sonitex as I'm on a mac but I'll give Ferox a try. I've got a decent emulation of that sound with a Combinator in Reason using three frequency shifters connected to random LFOs providing just a touch of frequency modulation to the audio signal. I'd like to be able to have that sound outside of Reason (without spending an arm and a leg on Speakerphone).

[Rah]

My opinion is that Satin is actually very good for getting a messed up tape sound. I'm abusing satin's aspertity, hiss and wow and flutter functions all the time. It sounds awesome, in a f**ked way. Not quite like video though.

[dalor]

I was hoping to be able to achieve sounds like the kind you can hear in this video:



Now, I know that's a VHS tape emulation so it may not be appropriate for Satin. But I was definitely hoping the W&F would be able to do more random, warbly, quavery sounds than it does now. Maybe that sound isn't even "proper" w&f but would be a different parameter like "tape wear" or something.

+1 That would be really nice indeed!

If you like it that much, why dont't you then use Speakerphone? It has more sound design features than Satin ever will. They are complete different products, really.

[hibidy]

Ok, that's it

I just ordered a neve board and a 2" tape machine. I'll have it up and running in the next decade or so. THEN we'll get some proper testing

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[electro]

Its beyond many of our affordability, and its 32 bit only.

are you kidding?

When Speakerphone was found introduced I found it very interesting, then I saw the pricetag and stopped looking.

[@l3x!5]

If you like it that much, why dont't you then use Speakerphone? It has more sound design features than Satin ever will. They are complete different products, really.

That would be in direct correlation with the depth of my pockets, I'm afraid Regarding the different products, of course they are. But having been searching for a very, very lo-fi tape sim since for ever, and being on a mac (so not able to use Sonitex), I figured there's no harm in asking. I'm not saying that U-HE should implement this, just that it can be beneficial to get your wishes out there. Maybe there's some room for it? Maybe there's a market? Maybe, if U-HE doesn't pick it up because they don't really want to go in that direction, someone else will? No way to know if nobody shares And, relatively, it seems to me that it's no less in point with a tape-sim thread that it would have been with a more sound-design oriented tool thread, since it's about… tape, and the misuse of it. I think the good use is covered already by U-HE as well as Slate, now the next step, plug, company… maybe will look into more hybrid, less strictly accurate way to operate (x tape quality without obligatory y corollary), as well as tend to go into the very badly worn sound too?
Cheers!

[dalor]

Speakerphone uses hundrets of impulse responses and some dsp effects to create this sound, Satin is specifically modelled to emulate magnetic tape machines. I couldn't find them more essentially different as they are.

You could also quote plugin 1 2 3 4 to get similar results. It was an offtopic reply to an offtopic post.

64bit support: 64 bits support for Speakerphone 2 is in the works and are close.

Maybe Urs could add Satin's technology in UHBIK (or a new product) to create a further advanced old machine sound..

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[@l3x!5]

It was an offtopic reply to an offtopic post.

This is not the first time in this thread that someone thinks his higher views on what can be discussed or not is bond to be somewhat more just/on-topic/appropriate… for whatever reason, and tends to try to rub it with a bit of rudeness to fit, all the while acting slightly annoyed under the unjust pressure this self-appointed thought police mission brings upon. For the life of me, I will never see the point in this kind of behavior. For each its own, I guess. And bringing Izotope Vinyl in reply to a worn tape remark that you don't see fit in a tape-sim thread? My.