Im totally locked in my music making process help me

[hansba]

I don't really want to listen particularly uncommercial music but want to listen good music which arent totally cookie cutter edm. I think my biggest problem I don't master what im doing so I frustrate to see how little I can really do. Can't break any rules bcuz of that. Im listening now commercial EDM channels to find channel which little bit different than others but not uncommercial. Cuz I want make my music for public and that's also true if talking about soundtrack music too. If I would be an athletic I would compete (and I have done that too) also not training only for fun. So feedback is important for me I know that. But only feedback from musicians or music hobbiest so Im not interested about BIGGEST MASSES opinion really. I want move people minds or legs or both so somekind of movement somewhere is my last primary goal. Also movement for me too. And if positive movement happens only in my mind it's also good, better than please people who dont understand music at all but only listen it (EDM) bcuz it's somekind of trend or bcuz they don't like silence when they sitting at car
Why perhaps soundtracks cuz I have made alot videos and actually that was in origin my main goal to make music for my videos. I don't really know why I have stucked in EDM right now but im going to free myself and want to enjoy about im doing. Even though it would only some stupid sounds and rhythms anyones dont care;)

[Sendy]

You won't find differences in commercial stuff. Difference = potential profit loss = not competetive = not commercial = why I fecken hate purely commercial music. My god, how many times has subgenre X made and remade that one same tune?

[trewq]

I know that the purists hate loops, but they can be a great way to just break you out of your patterns. I use them often to get a track started, then pull them out and replace them with created parts. I like to use them in my ambient stuff to create textures and rhythms by slowing them way down and looping them at very short time points. One sounds obvious, you need at least two, maybe three, and you play with the start time and loop points until you have a nice textured rhythm.

What I don't understand is that some people think when somebody speaks of working with loops that he/she would only nudge some loops along the timeline of the sequencer and make a song of it.

There is so much more you can make with loops! You can even slice them with a MIDI sampler, put some effects on it and make absolutely new loops out of them that sound completely different to the original loops. Or you can only use some single parts, percussion elements, effects and kick the rest of it in the bin...

You can play with loops like a cook creates meals in the kitchen or like a confectioner creates cakes. You don't have to use only convenient food and put it in the micro wave. You can combine fresh ingredients with some convenient food and make something new & delicious out of it!

that's it! working with loops can be a quite creative process. in Ableton Live you can do so many things with them.

So what does Ableton do that's more than the above mentioned with loops? - cause I've got all that already, and don't have time to search it out.

Added - Ok, I'm sure that's a big list if you include audio effects, so just limit to midi phrase and rhythm. Thanks in advance.

[jancivil]

Soundtrack music is just another box.

REALLY? I've heard all kinds of music in movies.

Yes, really. As usual, you're overreacting to my posts. Let go of your own agenda for a moment and read what I'm actually saying. If it's not clear, fair enough, I'll be glad to elaborate.

Thanks for clarifying. That required quite a lot of language. I wonder if your reduction

just another box

conveys perfectly without that.

So, with respect to the OPs abilities and concerns, to him, soundtrack music is just another box that he doesn't understand, and, while in some ways more free, it is in many others, much more demanding and constrained. If you can't create tension and release in a relatively simple dance music framework, what makes you think that you can do so in the context of an intricate visual framework that you don't have the freedom to define?

Now, if the goal is just to create music that sounds like it could be a soundtrack, well, that's not the same thing.

I didn't think it meant more than that. This latest volley seems to propose that 'dance music' is as suitable basis for learning to write music that's about tension and release as any, and that makes me laugh! But do sort that for us, I'm sure I'm just being obtuse.

I don't think that being a "soundtrack composer" is a solution for the OP, I think that it's a fantasy, it's the grass on the other side of the street. I encouraged him to just produce music without imposing any external genre, but, to understand what the end goal of producing music is.

Well, it's all *producing* music to you I suppose. I think anyone starting out in music is working from imagination if they haven't done the thing. The very language 'not a solution' is revealing. What problem will it be a solution to? So, project the "agenda" onto me. Let me run with it then: I think EDM is attractive to people that don't have much experience with or have yet to have their curiosity quite piqued in music. And here we have:

don't really know why I have stucked in EDM right now but im going to free myself

SO. I think 'maybe soundtrack [kind of] music' is something to be encouraged, not dismissed! You want me to be completely new to EDM but I think I have a pretty solid estimation of the boundaries in terms of content, musically, out of six years around here. 'Producer' as an identity seems quickly attainable; versus 'musician', 'composer'. & you seem eager to reinforce that perspective. Music made from the goal of 'composing' music seems to be a richer vein than the results of <EDM producer> goals.

You're taking wide, broad, deep areas and pushing this reduction of things that don't work like EDM to the level of 'EDM' here. It's all rather suspect.

You're simplifying my responses to suit your own perspective of me.

Bullshit! No, I specifically addressed a couple of things, such as your estimation of someone that does this EDM bit for a day job and comes home to classical music, you wanted to make classical music interest into something suspect and fatuous. In service of that you tried to talk about 'structure' and I addressed the difference. So you try on these gestures, rhetoric and all of this lingo to make what you said into something better. It's a revision and that it is a revision acknowledges my problem with it if only to dodge. My perspective of you? What is that. I'm addressing points.

I do understand EDM genres and the OP paints a picture of himself that I think that I understand. I tried to ask questions that would lead to discussion that would be fruitful.

You rather exceeded that, certainly. You came up with some rather dodgy shit which I addressed. Formally you would love for EDM to be on a footing with whatever, 'classical music'; now EDM is about teh tension and release in the composition. Compositionally in what way? The harmony? The rhythmic tension? Who are you kidding? I've seen this from you before but it's just tricks with language really, and I'm not that easily snowed.

[ghettosynth]

[, it's all *producing* music to you I suppose.

It isn't, you don't know me, and that's a perfect example of your projection. I fatigue easily of civility with you, if you'd prefer interaction without, that's not really a problem for me.

Compositionally in what way? The harmony? The rhythmic tension? Who are you kidding?

I'm not surprised that you don't know, it's pretty clear from your posts that you don't know EDM at all.

The OP has responded again and made it clear that he's interested in EDM and commercial music, perhaps you might find a different sandbox to play in? If it isn't clear to you yet, your point of view has little value to "producers."

[ghettosynth]

You won't find differences in commercial stuff. Difference = potential profit loss = not competetive = not commercial = why I fecken hate purely commercial music. My god, how many times has subgenre X made and remade that one same tune?

This point of view is too narrow. There isn't one type of "commercial" music. Some music is "more" commercial than others, but if there were no differences in commercial music then commercial music would never change, but it does.

[ghettosynth]

So what does Ableton do that's more than the above mentioned with loops? - cause I've got all that already, and don't have time to search it out.

I'm not an Ableton apologist so I won't argue that it's the second coming, but giving it credit where it's due, it is far more immediate in terms of using loops as atomic elements in a performance. When I'm putting a track together I don't always prefer to use the Ableton's dual view approach, but it is a more immediate way of constructing loop variants and performing with them than anything else that I've used. For getting the structure of a track right, I prefer Reason's approach, and for some kinds of performance where you want to just use tiny snips of a loop, e.g. certain glitchy stuff, I prefer cubase's arrangement track.

[ghettosynth]

I don't really want to listen particularly uncommercial music but want to listen good music which arent totally cookie cutter edm. I think my biggest problem I don't master what im doing so I frustrate to see how little I can really do. Can't break any rules bcuz of that. Im listening now commercial EDM channels to find channel which little bit different than others but not uncommercial. Cuz I want make my music for public

That's a good start. Be honest with yourself about what moves you and what your goals are. That said, commercial EDM is "cookie cutter", by that I mean that it follows certain formats and uses certain cliches. But, we're kind of back to square one in trying to understand what your limitations are. If you don't "master what you're doing", then how does that impact your music? Be specific, what are the limitations that you're facing?

Why don't you start by telling us what you've been listening to lately to get inspired, that can convey a lot in terms of where your taste lies. If you like, I'm sure that if you posted some links to your videos that people here would listen/watch and give you honest feedback.

[Sendy]

You won't find differences in commercial stuff. Difference = potential profit loss = not competetive = not commercial = why I fecken hate purely commercial music. My god, how many times has subgenre X made and remade that one same tune?

This point of view is too narrow. There isn't one type of "commercial" music. Some music is "more" commercial than others, but if there were no differences in commercial music then commercial music would never change, but it does.

Yeah, it was a pretty dumbly black and white statement, and if I think about it there's a lot of music that was made for profit which I think is fantastic. I guess it depends whether something was made *solely* for profit. That kind of music seems to me to be more for people who don't really like music per se, but just want to listen to "what their mates listen to" (the "mates" that would probably disown them if they admitted to liking something "uncool").

Everyone who creates something that other peole enjoy and use deserves monetary reward in a capitalist environment. But the version of capitalism we seem to be running these days is pretty skewed and broken and getting worse (footballers paid millions while those that save lives can barely afford the ride to work? GTFO). I'd also say this is connected to the "most commercial music" lowering in quality and diversity over time, but YMMV.

[Tricky-Loops]

I guess it depends whether something was made *solely* for profit. That kind of music seems to me to be more for people who don't really like music per se, but just want to listen to "what their mates listen to" (the "mates" that would probably disown them if they admitted to liking something "uncool").

How to make all 8 years old girls jump around and spend their money:

(But I admit, despite I cannot stand the song, I have some admiration for the music producer - I forgot his name but it was someone who has decades of experience in writing songs...)

[hansba]

I don't really want to listen particularly uncommercial music but want to listen good music which arent totally cookie cutter edm. I think my biggest problem I don't master what im doing so I frustrate to see how little I can really do. Can't break any rules bcuz of that. Im listening now commercial EDM channels to find channel which little bit different than others but not uncommercial. Cuz I want make my music for public

That's a good start. Be honest with yourself about what moves you and what your goals are. That said, commercial EDM is "cookie cutter", by that I mean that it follows certain formats and uses certain cliches. But, we're kind of back to square one in trying to understand what your limitations are. If you don't "master what you're doing", then how does that impact your music? Be specific, what are the limitations that you're facing?

Why don't you start by telling us what you've been listening to lately to get inspired, that can convey a lot in terms of where your taste lies. If you like, I'm sure that if you posted some links to your videos that people here would listen/watch and give you honest feedback.

Week gone and I have learned lot about synths DCAM, Sylenth, Massive and that's the part Im satisfied. One lock has opened but after that found again my skills for making all kind of tricks making EDM demands is my biggest limitation. I have actually listened a lot Electro and some complextro music lately and havent listened anything new and different music. So only positive thing is my enthusiasm to sound design If talking about my videos I havent used my music for those ones.
Anyways to find out again my production skills are at novice level I lose my faith to making any music. I know there's forums and youtube to find out everything but don't wanna lose my life for searching knowledge for making something someone already made. Also I know that I don't discover those tricks need in EDM music only with myself. Some can hear all those effects, envelope changes etc...and can make those tricks and sounds by only hearing changes, I dont. I know Im maybe impatient and Im aiming at sun like Icarus But that's me...I smash my head to the wall even though I could make something useful. So what Im trying to say I don't want to make something which is mediocre and that's why Im comparing myself to better ones than that and that makes me think if all my work (learned tricks/production skills) end to mediocre result even though I have used my life for that. Edm music based on production skills, sounds and tricks (some may say those cliche) and learning those take alot time.

Wanna share this one

And found also pretty interesting studio series which ends to complete this

Here's part one

That kind of music style could be also near to me too...sound more musical than example electro. Could be also soundtrack music.

[Sendy]

I guess it depends whether something was made *solely* for profit. That kind of music seems to me to be more for people who don't really like music per se, but just want to listen to "what their mates listen to" (the "mates" that would probably disown them if they admitted to liking something "uncool").

How to make all 8 years old girls jump around and spend their money:

(But I admit, despite I cannot stand the song, I have some admiration for the music producer - I forgot his name but it was someone who has decades of experience in writing songs...)

I prefer this take on the Gummy Bear theme:

[ghettosynth]

I guess it depends whether something was made *solely* for profit. That kind of music seems to me to be more for people who don't really like music per se, but just want to listen to "what their mates listen to" (the "mates" that would probably disown them if they admitted to liking something "uncool").

How to make all 8 years old girls jump around and spend their money:

(But I admit, despite I cannot stand the song, I have some admiration for the music producer - I forgot his name but it was someone who has decades of experience in writing songs...)

I'd totally play that to signal the end of my set. It's goofy and competently produced. There would be no confusion that the set is over.

I think that all of this focus on whether music is made for money or not for money or for whatever reason is a bit dishonest. I've tried to get at this earlier, we ALL make music purely for personal goals. Some of us do it less competently than others, but I'm not judgmental about the goals of others for making their music. I'm pretty sure that Hans Zimmer composes for money and that his efforts might be different if he was doing it just for fun.

[Sendy]

Is that from the same person/team that did the Crazy Frog?

He seems so happy to be alive, shame he's basically been farmed to be eaten alive

[Tricky-Loops]

Is that from the same person/team that did the Crazy Frog?

Nope. The Yummy Bear song (in German: "Ich bin dein Gummibär") was made by 2 German producers and the Crazy Frog song by 2 different German producer teams...