Klanghelm SDRR - flexible saturation plugin released

[tonhelm]

Just out of interest did you ever consider group crosstalk Tony ?
So you could set a group on each loaded instance of the plugin and it would crosstalk with other instances within that group ?

Considered, yes. But I've decided against this for various reasons:
It's not a trivial task to do and opens the door for lots of possible bugs. That said, I don't see any real benefit in this, which would justify the effort. As I wrote earlier, the crosstalk between left and right channel OTOH is a really benifitial feature, which can help to keep things together.

Tony

[tonhelm]

I like what the free version does and will definately be buying,
is 22 the permenant price?

The intro price will last at least until the end of October.

Regarding the copy-DESK-instance-to-another-track issue.
I've tried to reproduce this yesterday for about 40 min in Reaper Win and Mac and in Logic. Without success. I simply wasn't able bring it down. But I've found a few things in the code which can be done more elegant. When I've done this I might need your help with testing this.
To those, who are experiencing this repeatedly, can you please send me an email, maybe with a simple Reaper project file for me to check as I could have overseen something in my tests yesterday. That would be highly appreciated.

Tony

[Eleventh]

I couldn't reproduce the bug either, now that I tried again. But I'm fairly certain that it happened as you said, copying an instance with the DESK mode on.

[dasdeck]

I like what the free version does and will definately be buying,
is 22 the permenant price?

The intro price will last at least until the end of October.

Regarding the copy-DESK-instance-to-another-track issue.
I've tried to reproduce this yesterday for about 40 min in Reaper Win and Mac and in Logic. Without success. I simply wasn't able bring it down. But I've found a few things in the code which can be done more elegant. When I've done this I might need your help with testing this.
To those, who are experiencing this repeatedly, can you please send me an email, maybe with a simple Reaper project file for me to check as I could have overseen something in my tests yesterday. That would be highly appreciated.

Tony

i have no problem at all in recreating this bug.
seems to me that every instance more that one in desk mode behaves badly.
i'll send you an email later. @ work now.

jm

[Keith99]

I have a small issue. I am using Cubase 64 with SDRR 64 VST3 version. When I load a project back in the preset is lost. What I mean is the preset name has gone from the plugin and it just says default. I think the settings are correct though, hence it is not a big issue

[Roman76]

Great plugin, i like your stuff tonhelm. As well as DC8C2 which became my favourit compressor.

[Igro]

I cannot make any conclusions from the demos on the website, cuz they are all acoustics. It's not my filed. May you please upload some synthetic kicks and basses too? Thank you!

[codec_spurt]

Can anyone make a quick comparison about when/how to use this on a (drum)bus or Master bus, with ToneBoosters ReelBus?

Say, what are the (rough) needs of CPU draw between the two?
And are they comparable in the end results they give?
The Klanghelm one looks a bit more versatile. Obviously they are two different types of things, but there seems to be a bit of overlap. Or did I get it wrong?

I'm a bit new to this 'saturation/distortion' type of thing. I'm really on the hunt for a kind of 'smearing/gluing' type of FX that I have heard on some records and I wonder 'how the hell did they do that?' - everything melted into everything else but with the end result being greater separation. Hard to explain.


I'm sure it is the sort of thing that will come in handy in a chain with Recabinet, if nothing else. And those GUIs deserve an award all by themselves. The love that went into making them will translate to the joy of using them I've no doubt. Superb work!

[DuX]

Codec_spurt, what you tried to explain reminds me of a multiband limiter. Or just a good limiter with some analog modeling perhaps. They can glue sounds together nicely, and you get to control which frequencies get limited etc.

Or a nice bus compressor like The Glue or PSP MasterComp or BussPressor.

[codec_spurt]

Codec_spurt, what you tried to explain reminds me of a multiband limiter. Or just a good limiter with some analog modeling perhaps. They can glue sounds together nicely, and you get to control which frequencies get limited etc.

Or a nice bus compressor like The Glue or PSP MasterComp or BussPressor.

Well, I got to say all the fuss about The Glue has been well deserved. I have the version that comes with Ableton 9 and it is fairly easy to dial in a bit of that smearing/glue stuff, sure enough.

It's just sometimes I hear records and they have this kind of 'sheen' to them. Some might say 'shimmer', but I wouldn't go that far.

Everything is lifted up outside of everything else. Absolute definition between instruments and frequencies. Yet. They are all part of a coherent whole.

Yes it is almost impossible to describe this stuff. I imagine there is no secret magic plugin for this effect. I bet it was done with discrete tracking of the instruments. Good and appropriate EQ. Ditto Compression. Ditto Tape Saturation etc.. done by someone that knows what they are doing. On a system that translates well. With time taken for breaks and perspective.

Really, I marvel sometimes at the super high quality of mixes coming out these days. It is finally starting to sink in. My acid/litmus test is: Burnt out in the morning, exhausted, laying in my bed, too tired to sleep, unable to move, headphones on very very low. And a mix comes on the radio station I listen to: Say hirschmilch.de - chillout - and I am just gobsmacked at the coherence and almost 'flatness' of the mix. In as much as nothing stands out - everything is equal. Yet everything has its own space, and in that sense it is 3D.

Total contradictions. I know.

Anyway DuX, I am intrigued now by the concept of multi-band limiting. I don't even know of any multi-band limiters off the top of my head.



I'm going to try for this effect I have heard and tried to describe, in Ableton with The Glue and SDRR on the Master bus as a starting (and hopefully finishing) point. This effect is not about EQ. This is about some king of weird transient smearing thing. It's very contradictory to listen to, let alone describe.

Anyway, I'll shut up with the nonsense. Tony just gave me my download link and I just realised after downloading it that I'm in a Virtual Machine. Running your nLited XP as it goes. But we can talk about that later.

[Igro]

Codec_spurt, what you tried to explain reminds me of a multiband limiter. Or just a good limiter with some analog modeling perhaps. They can glue sounds together nicely, and you get to control which frequencies get limited etc.

Or a nice bus compressor like The Glue or PSP MasterComp or BussPressor.

Well, I got to say all the fuss about The Glue has been well deserved. I have the version that comes with Ableton 9 and it is fairly easy to dial in a bit of that smearing/glue stuff, sure enough.

It's just sometimes I hear records and they have this kind of 'sheen' to them. Some might say 'shimmer', but I wouldn't go that far.

Everything is lifted up outside of everything else. Absolute definition between instruments and frequencies. Yet. They are all part of a coherent whole.

Yes it is almost impossible to describe this stuff. I imagine there is no secret magic plugin for this effect. I bet it was done with discrete tracking of the instruments. Good and appropriate EQ. Ditto Compression. Ditto Tape Saturation etc.. done by someone that knows what they are doing. On a system that translates well. With time taken for breaks and perspective.

Really, I marvel sometimes at the super high quality of mixes coming out these days. It is finally starting to sink in. My acid/litmus test is: Burnt out in the morning, exhausted, laying in my bed, too tired to sleep, unable to move, headphones on very very low. And a mix comes on the radio station I listen to: Say hirschmilch.de - chillout - and I am just gobsmacked at the coherence and almost 'flatness' of the mix. In as much as nothing stands out - everything is equal. Yet everything has its own space, and in that sense it is 3D.

Total contradictions. I know.

Anyway DuX, I am intrigued now by the concept of multi-band limiting. I don't even know of any multi-band limiters off the top of my head.



I'm going to try for this effect I have heard and tried to describe, in Ableton with The Glue and SDRR on the Master bus as a starting (and hopefully finishing) point. This effect is not about EQ. This is about some king of weird transient smearing thing. It's very contradictory to listen to, let alone describe.

Anyway, I'll shut up with the nonsense. Tony just gave me my download link and I just realised after downloading it that I'm in a Virtual Machine. Running your nLited XP as it goes. But we can talk about that later.

I totally understand what you mean here. Smear attacks which gives this warm cozy feeling to ears and everything becomes one. I know that Bootsy plugins do stuff like this. (Tesla Pro 2)

I can obviously recognize this smearing effect in some records, as this, for instance:

[codec_spurt]

I totally understand what you mean here. Smear attacks which gives this warm cozy feeling to ears and everything becomes one. I know that Bootsy plugins do stuff like this. (Tesla Pro 2)

I can obviously recognize this smearing effect in some records, as this, for instance:

Yes. That's not far off the type of thing I mean. Maybe not the most extreme example of it, but in the ball park.

And I'm sure you understand this is Transient Smearing and not Transient Shaping like with say Flux BitterSweet. It's not just doing something to the attack portion of a sound, it is doing it to the whole envelope of the whole program material effected.



Funnily enough, talking of Bootsy, I always found Density to be a very good 'Smearing' tool. It does compression of course, but sometimes it is so subtle. The smearing even more subtle. But on some stuff it is definitely there. I also like what https://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/20 ... sed-today/ does in this department.

Oh well, the search goes on, but I think with the versatility of SDRR, by the sounds of it, I should be able to give it a try and get close.

[codec_spurt]

Aha, maybe I'm not just imagining it after all:

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ThrillseekerLA not only introduces way smooth gain riding capabilities but first and foremost features a non-linear amplifier stage which is based on a non-linearity with memory yielding creamy signal coloration duties:

Custom algorithms based on a true stateful non-linear saturation model

Compression and load dependent 2nd order harmonic distortion generation

Controllable odd order total harmonic distortion generation

Six individual preset distortion profiles offering different tonal qualities like warmth and top-end sheen or simply improved depth perception

Authentic audio transformer simulation including typical LF distortions as well as frequency and load dependent analog circuit effects

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There are those words again - 'Sheen', 'Distortion', 'Saturation', and 'Depth Perception' - perhaps what I was alluding to when I said '3D'.


I know that Bootsy has gone down that road pretty far - Stateful Saturation - as he calls it. I find this very interesting that these particular properties keep cropping up associated with it.


Anyway, that's why I got the SDRR plugin. I'm sure I won't be disappointed. And this is a dedicated unit towards those types of FX, which should make those characteristics a bit easier to dial in, rather than having them as a side-effect.

[DuX]

Yes, ThrillseekerLA. How did I forget to mention it. The saturation part is da sheisse. And the compression part really helps with glueing things together. All together is a really brilliant plugin.

The only thing I hate about Bootsie's plugins is that they're unstable and a bit unpredictable. That's inherent to synthmaker plugins... if he only transitioned to pure C++... ahhh wishful thinking.

And SO off topic. Sorry.

Well, somewhat on topic, I also like what the IVGI does to transients. It's not really there [what I want] but it sounds good to my ears. I'm also trying to find a good plugin that does nice transient saturation, the analog kinda way. That's my holy grail. I like how VladG limiter sounds, too, in that respect.

And Sonalksis MaxLimit and MultiLimit [there you go, my favourite multiband limiter]. Not much mentioned plugins lately on KVR. They sound really good to my ears. Pleasant when you don't overlimit, like -12dB or more.

[Mario-C.]

It sounds great so I bought it