"Logic Pro X will eventually be sandboxed"

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[t3toooo]

If the ROI is there I am sure developers would keep making AU plugins regardless if there was a cut to be paid to Apple. Plus, I am rally hoping this would help reduce piracy as well. Wishful thinking of course.

Ken

although it is interesting how easily we're talking about "piracy" at this point most of my plugins,my browser,most of my software is encrypted via 128 or 256 bit.

anybody can read what kind computer power it needs to break the encryption.


at this point we can rule out the existence of a jobless h2o team trying to hack a 128 bit encryption with a home laptop.
even if those hackers would have entry to much greater computer power it would be very cost intensive to hack nowadays.

now the interesting part is,
from my experience,anybody in my area that had computer problems used and downloaded illegal files.
a polluted movie (or attachment) isn't going to kill windows but there is always "something wrong" at one point.

in this regard i want to reference to several posts on the kvr forum about this topic by u-he,urs (hope you don't mind).


i do not say that piracy isn't affecting smaller developers but generally i consider this a "problem myth".


it seems that apple users don't have much problems with cracked software,"jailbreaking here and there",loads of cracks that are working just fine,lol.
(i for myself would never trust this "peace" however)


i'll go this far and say,"piracy" today is clearly a major part of marketing.

[pc999]

Now it is explained why they cut the price of Logic.



Do it early, make sure you have lot of Logic users, then screw them and make money from every single purchase for Logic, while you are at it make them pay several times for logic, again and again.




Steam (or something similar) could have all the potential benefits but still is a open environment that let users do whatever they what, but happy sheeps/morons are profitable.

[Ch00rD]

Plus, I am rally hoping this would help reduce piracy as well. Wishful thinking of course.

Very much wishful. Even iOS apps are being cracked now.

Less wishful than you may think - iOS apps have been cracked since day one; however, using cracked iOS apps presumes users having jailbroken their devices, and only about 10-15% of users have been doing that. It does not go the other way around: not all people with jailbroken devices use cracked software. So you basically have a *huge* market with upwards of 85% 'honest' users. Imho, those are very hard numbers to match, as far as platforms go.

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[Compyfox]

Until Steinberg drops VST2 completely, as they announced already.

Then all hell breaks loose. Even more so than it is already with the "big three".


Next year sure will be interesting.

[samsam]

edit: n/m,

[donato]

Steam (or something similar) could have all the potential benefits but still is a open environment that let users do whatever they what, but happy sheeps/morons are profitable.

I thought you couldn't sell Steam stuff either? Seems pretty much the same?

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i do not say that piracy isn't affecting smaller developers but generally i consider this a "problem myth".

i'll go this far and say,"piracy" today is clearly a major part of marketing.

I wish this was true. I am a certified Ableton Live trainer and I teach it quite a bit, in addition to music production in general using other DAWs. I can say that unfortunately 95% of my clients have pirated software of some kind on their computers. I give them the same speech every time, telling them that it hurts the software companies and that it can cause stability issues with their machines, etc. But it's not a myth, it's a real problem. Btw, most of my clients are Mac users too, so it's not just in the PC world I am afraid.

So, if going through the Apple App Store would reduce piracy it would be an added bonus in addition to getting everything through one store.

I am not aware that Logic has been cracked the minute it's been released. None of my clients ironically has a cracked version of Logic, so maybe it's the $199 price point for a DAW, the convenience of getting it through the App store, the copy protection, who knows. I do find it interesting though...

Ken

[elxsound]

Steam (or something similar) could have all the potential benefits but still is a open environment that let users do whatever they what, but happy sheeps/morons are profitable.

I thought you couldn't sell Steam stuff either? Seems pretty much the same?

Here's food for thought on that one: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/03/s ... -in-games/

I do not want a closed system for plugins via the Appstore or any other closed system. I do not like the Propellerheads closed, non-resellable system or even the IKM CS closed system.

With the Appstore, remember that apps and developers can simply cease to be available for any number of reasons, not limited to the developer closing shop themselves (just think of Redmatica who was bought out by Apple as one example, but there are many more just non-music related). There can be little to no warning of possibly losing access to your paid for apps if this happens.

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[EvilDragon]

I mean what percentage of plugs are overall are vst3. Max 20% ?

I think that's a too big estimate. More like 10%?

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[parma]

There you go.. Steinberg are not going to commit business suicide.. I wouldn't worry about it.

Ps for those wondering how I know logic x is cracked, I was fascinated to know if app stre stuff could be so I looked for it and to my surprise saw the, all in sequence as each version was released. Yes I own and have paid for logic x but now it really is time to get a refund before my three months is up as I'm over it.

How do you go about getting a refund from Apple? I was a Live user for years but sold it off this past spring as I was looking for a change of scenery to help me get out of a rut. More and more though, I find myself regretting that decision as there are a lot of things I miss about Live's workflow (simple things like routing MIDI between plugins!). If I could get a refund I might seriously consider it.

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